hobiercr
hobiercr SuperDork
8/24/18 10:12 a.m.

I'm trying to help my wife's niece get her first car. She's on a budget and is stepping out on her own for the first time. While she could afford a used car payment, it would still be for a ~$3000 car. Doing some CL searches for her I came a cross a '92 Volvo 240 Wagon in very good shape except for a supposed blown head gasket. Owner found water in the oil and parked it 8 or so months ago (or that is what he says). The chassis has ~230k on it but it is solid with no rust on the body. I haven't inspected it yet so not a sure thing yet. The asking price is $500.

My question, or, what would the hive recommend?

1. I could pull the head, swap a new head gasket on, change the water pump, etc. and see what we get. I'd do a compression check first just to see but would a BHG effect this?

2. I could pull the head and have it fully refreshed at a local shop that specializes in cylinder heads for $375, new HG, WP, etc.

3. Get a used motor from a number of local dismantler for $375 (MANY available at that price locally) and just swap it in.

Robbie
Robbie PowerDork
8/24/18 10:30 a.m.

swap in a used motor. would likely have significantly less than 230k miles.

BHG might affect compression readings, might not. depends where the blow is.

Erich
Erich UberDork
8/24/18 10:35 a.m.

Used motor. But honestly would just do a B230FT if you're going through the effort of putting a new motor in. 

Or a V8

unevolved
unevolved SuperDork
8/24/18 10:40 a.m.

Personally, I'd pull the head and have look before buying a new engine.  Those B230s are seriously hard to kill (I've tried).

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy UltimaDork
8/24/18 10:57 a.m.

Yeah, but when you do manage to kill one, its big trouble. Used is the way to go.

If you can see a blown head gasket on a compression test, you can see the antifreeze spraying out the radiator as well.

A turbo swap is several orders of magnitude more difficult than swapping an engine.

Matthew Kennedy
Matthew Kennedy Reader
8/24/18 11:45 a.m.

That's a very fair price for the car, intact head gasket or not.  It's at least worth having a look, and if you buy it, at least pull the head and see how it looks.  There's a good chance that you can go at the head with some scotchbrite, slap a new gasket in, and be good for another 230k miles.

NickD
NickD UberDork
8/24/18 12:49 p.m.
Erich said:

Used motor. But honestly would just do a B230FT if you're going through the effort of putting a new motor in. 

Or a V8

You do realize that this is for his wife's niece's first car, correct?

EvanB
EvanB MegaDork
8/24/18 12:50 p.m.

If the head doesn't need machine work you could do the gasket in a day. Engines are cheap though (I have 3 spares in my garage) so i would do that before sending a head to the machine shop. The engine i put in my black 240 was $60 on Craigslist and it would have been done in a weekend if it wasn't for the turbo and manual swap shenanigans.

hobiercr
hobiercr SuperDork
8/24/18 2:15 p.m.

In reply to EvanB :

Yeah, i'm thinking either way (HG or swap) it could get knocked out in a weeknd.

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy UltimaDork
8/24/18 2:20 p.m.

If it heated badly enough to leak, the head will be the shape of a bannana. 

Sometimes the gaskets will crack for no particular reason, but the head would go to a machine shop for a flatness and pressure test before I bolted it back on.

jstein77
jstein77 UltraDork
8/24/18 2:47 p.m.

The other issue with trying to use the old motor is that it's been sitting for 8 months or so with a blown head gasket, which could mean water in the cylinders that whole time.  Corrosion could be a big problem.

Robbie
Robbie PowerDork
8/24/18 3:24 p.m.
Streetwiseguy said:

Yeah, but when you do manage to kill one, its big trouble. Used is the way to go.

If you can see a blown head gasket on a compression test, you can see the antifreeze spraying out the radiator as well.

A turbo swap is several orders of magnitude more difficult than swapping an engine.

I've had a HG let go between two cylinders, so they just pushed compression back and forth between them. no external symptoms other than almost no compression in those two holes.

hobiercr
hobiercr SuperDork
8/24/18 3:56 p.m.

This had water in the oil so yeah, I'm not excited about how the inside of ths block will look. Pictures to come!

spitfirebill
spitfirebill MegaDork
8/24/18 5:31 p.m.

Get an endoscope that connects to your phone and look inside the cylinders.  

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
8/24/18 5:46 p.m.

If the value of a properly working 240 Wagon is over $1000, I'm wondering what the issue is here.

I'd replace the motor, and then look into rebuilding the broken one.  But after the replacement, you are less than $900 into a car that should end up to be a pretty good and reliable car for your niece.  And if she does not like it, it seems like an easy car to sell.

Basically, this is a Wheeler Dealer car that can be "sold" to your niece.  

Personally, I see no negatives to any choice as long as you get the car.

djsilver
djsilver Reader
8/24/18 7:59 p.m.

We had an '83-ish for 16 years and nearly 200k while the kids were growing up.  Mine was a B23 with early L-jetronic.  My only issues were I had a shoestring tied to the ECU plug to something in the engine bay to keep tension and continuity on the pins.  That, and it had a sort of PCV filter made of corrugated aluminum wound up that would plug up and cause oil leaks.  Clean it out once/year and all was good.  It was still running like a top when I drove it to the junk yard for body rot.  I also learned the importance of good shocks on a brick for a decent ride.

Toyman01
Toyman01 MegaDork
8/24/18 8:10 p.m.
jstein77 said:

The other issue with trying to use the old motor is that it's been sitting for 8 months or so with a blown head gasket, which could mean water in the cylinders that whole time.  Corrosion could be a big problem.

This. I would assume the engine is scrap and plan accordingly. 

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