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Javelin
Javelin MegaDork
2/2/13 8:15 p.m.

You people are weird. Do you realize that what you are trying to quantify as a "hatchback" is actually called a "shooting brake"? It's just a fancy way of saying 3-door wagon. Any car with a hatch is a "hatchback" by technicality, including fastbacks, coupes, sedans, wagons, and shooting brakes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatchback

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting-brake

Ian F
Ian F PowerDork
2/3/13 7:26 a.m.

Cayman.

mad_machine
mad_machine MegaDork
2/3/13 9:57 a.m.
Javelin wrote: You people are *weird*. Do you realize that what you are trying to quantify as a "hatchback" is actually called a "shooting brake"? It's just a fancy way of saying 3-door wagon. *Any* car with a hatch is a "hatchback" by technicality, including fastbacks, coupes, sedans, wagons, and shooting brakes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatchback http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting-brake

If you are going to quote that great bastion of mis-information, you should at least read the whole article.

Wikipedia said: LiftbackA liftback is a broad marketing term for a hatchback, which incorporates a shared passenger and cargo volume, with rearmost accessibility via a rear third or fifth door, typically a top-hinged liftgate—especially where the profile aspect of the rear cargo door is more horizontal than vertical, with a sharply raked or fastback profile.[8] In comparison with the hatchback the back opening area is more sloped and longer and is lifted up to open, offering more luggage space. Very similar is the "fastback", but it miss the "step" visually resembling sedan. Liftback is not used as a term in the UK, fastback or hatchback are used instead.
Javelin
Javelin MegaDork
2/3/13 10:25 a.m.

In reply to mad_machine:

It's wikipedia, it's been edited 47 times since I posted the link.

Point is, y'all are still weird. Also, cars don't define easy. See "muscle car era", "hot hatch", "coupe", etc.

mr2peak
mr2peak Reader
2/3/13 11:37 a.m.

A hatchback needs to have the rear seats folded down in order to have storage space. If it has anything resembling trunk space, it's not a hatchback.

A hatchback give you a choice: passengers, OR cargo. Not both.

bastomatic
bastomatic SuperDork
2/3/13 12:35 p.m.
mr2peak wrote: A hatchback needs to have the rear seats folded down in order to have storage space. If it has anything resembling trunk space, it's not a hatchback. A hatchback give you a choice: passengers, OR cargo. Not both.

My Honda Fit has lots of storage behind the rear seats. The Mazda5 has none. This is a terrible definition.

Ian F
Ian F PowerDork
2/3/13 1:13 p.m.

Generally, the definition of a wagon is a squared off sedan with a hatch or tailgate. Volvo called the ES a "sport wagon" and not a hatchback. If there's one thing most "shooting brakes" have in common its they are usually 3rd party coach built versions of expensive coupes.

The 5 dr Golf is a hatchback and not a wagon since its based on the 3 dr version. That it has two more doors is irrelevant.

I always considered my Integra to be a hatchback rather than a lift back. Doesn't matter, really... It's all just marketing b.s.

mad_machine
mad_machine MegaDork
2/3/13 7:34 p.m.
mr2peak wrote: A hatchback needs to have the rear seats folded down in order to have storage space. If it has anything resembling trunk space, it's not a hatchback. A hatchback give you a choice: passengers, OR cargo. Not both.

bad choice.. every hatchback I have owned has storage behind the seats wether they are up or folded down.. in some cases, just as much storage as the sedan version

Adrian_Thompson
Adrian_Thompson UltraDork
2/4/13 9:02 a.m.

To Flounder this a bit more, those who say that 4 doors plus a hatch is a wagon, can you help explain the difference between these wagons and these, errr wagons. Also not that in the case of the Escort you could get a 3 and 5 door hatch or a 2(3) and 4(5) door estate, sorry wagon. At least the 1st 2 are RWD

Granada / Scorpio

Sierra

Mondeo / Contour

And in case you say it's all old stuff, they still do the Mondeo (Fusion) in 5 door hatch, sorry wago, as well as 5 door wagon.

Mk III Escort

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