My first car:
My latest car:
The latest one is faster and handles much better than the first one. Plus I have room for passengers and stuff.
My first car:
My latest car:
The latest one is faster and handles much better than the first one. Plus I have room for passengers and stuff.
captdownshift wrote: In reply to G_Body_Man: as shocking as it is, you can make an echo turn
Yes, but when it's your dad's beat-up, rusty, clearcoat-peeling, cheapo-non-butterfly valve muffler'd, autotragic, swaybarless, base-model, fluid-leaking, plastic-clad beater, neither of us would want to put in the effort.
Flight Service wrote: I haven't considered a Vette a sports car for a very long time. I think it fits in the GT spectrum. Sure the Z06 package turns it into a super car, but not sports car. Now I don't want to get into a semantics arguement, but the Vette, with a few models outstanding, has always been a high speed touring car. Which is great. Marketing department aside, is it a true sports car?
As far as the Corvette goes C3 and earlier is a GT car, C4 and later are all sports cars.
In reply to rcutclif:
Take your silly little roadster and go home.....
The Elise, 4C, and exige are perhaps the purist forms of sports cars we have seen since the 50's-60's. Nobody cares what is still in production at this moment, because it doesn't really matter how many hair dressers buy a car to keep it viable. 
I have gotten to the point where I prefer hot hatches and gt cars more as well. Part of that is sports cars are a bit cramped for someone my size (6'1" 240lbs) and most are not usable often enough to make it worth it. A hot hatch DD and an old miata (or sw20 in my case) for the weekend seem like a good balance. I am curious to try a z32 as an attainable sports GT car though.
captdownshift wrote: In reply to G_Body_Man: as shocking as it is, you can make an echo turn
You know what you get when you drive your Camry into the Grand Canyon?
An Echo.
rimshot
Harvey wrote:Flight Service wrote: I haven't considered a Vette a sports car for a very long time. I think it fits in the GT spectrum. Sure the Z06 package turns it into a super car, but not sports car. Now I don't want to get into a semantics arguement, but the Vette, with a few models outstanding, has always been a high speed touring car. Which is great. Marketing department aside, is it a true sports car?As far as the Corvette goes C3 and earlier is a GT car, C4 and later are all sports cars.
Your arguement is invalid simply on the C4 alone. That was a mistake. I still say too big, and comfy. GT.
this "sports cars are" was a long thread just a couple of months ago 
In reply to wbjones...
This is the thread that never ends! (to the tune of "this is the song that never ends)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U2zJOryHKQ
we have several of those … they just seem to start back up on their own on a very predictable cycle …
You guys are the one drifting into a sports car argument, I am just saying I like GT cars better.
In reply to Flight Service: We're busting your chops because we don't agree with you. No big deal. 
Flight Service wrote: You guys are the one drifting into a sports car argument, I am just saying I like GT cars better.
regardless … it gets the same dudes all fired up but that's ok … I was just commenting to run up my post count for when (ever) we get the leaderboard back
Dashpot wrote:Duke wrote: The last 4 cars he's actually bought, starting around 2004: * 2000-ish Mazda 626 * Early-oughties Civic Si hatch * 2007-ish Forester * 2009 Cooper SI'm knee deep in cheap Env/Wastewater Engineers, it's what I do. Many "fully depreciated" vehicles in the parking lot. A $5-8K Miata is a low risk intro to the roadster/fun car world. Grab your sister & pick one out for him (for Fathers Day!). Park it in the driveway and see if he puts it to use. If not, sell it off for minimal loss. Your sister will thank you.... That '09 MINI could have been fun, did he tire of it quick?
If she bought him a Miata, she'd have to do it with her own money. Yes, he's that kind.
He just bought the MINI last week, after showing me no less than 4 NB Miatae and an RX-8.
This is the man who bought a 4-year-old base 626 in 2003 or so to keep the mileage off of his other car - a crusty 1996 base Legacy wagon.
Whats wrong with having both? One for nice days and the other for not-so-nice days? I drive an old turbo mini van for practicality but love the days I can drive the sports car.
Flight Service wrote:Harvey wrote:Your arguement is invalid simply on the C4 alone. That was a mistake. I still say too big, and comfy. GT.Flight Service wrote: I haven't considered a Vette a sports car for a very long time. I think it fits in the GT spectrum. Sure the Z06 package turns it into a super car, but not sports car. Now I don't want to get into a semantics arguement, but the Vette, with a few models outstanding, has always been a high speed touring car. Which is great. Marketing department aside, is it a true sports car?As far as the Corvette goes C3 and earlier is a GT car, C4 and later are all sports cars.
No. All Corvettes are big and comfy, it's a design feature for the target market. The C4 and later are still sports cars.
Having read all the replies I have to agree completely with flightservice. It's even better when these GT cars and hot hatches can out accelerate, out brake and out turn a "sportscar".
there was a Honda Odyssey at Road Atlanta this weekend that would out accelerate, out brake, out turn most hot hatches, GT cars, and sportscars
In reply to Duke: I wouldn't bother with talking cars with that guy. I'm assuming that he hasn't even test driven a sports car or sports coupe yet. I would also assume that he's not interested in driving enjoyment, either. 
But hey, most people are like that.
In reply to wbjones:
That's even better.
Mr_Clutch42 wrote: In reply to Duke: I wouldn't bother with talking cars with that guy. I'm assuming that he hasn't even test driven a sports car or sports coupe yet. I would also assume that he's not interested in driving enjoyment, either.
Nope, he's test driven them. It's just that he absolutely can't overcome his "I'm an engineer from Nebraska raised by parents of the Depression era" mentality. He wants to have fun, he might even know how, but he just can't bring himself to do it.
In reply to Duke:
Being able to identify with the engineering mentality, I don't think all hope is lost. His current progression of cars shows his choices trending in the right direction. Embracing your inner desires and going to the dark side is simply a longer journey for some people than others.
In reply to Duke: Well, in that case, in 3 years just tell him
But not with an RX-8 at first since those rotaries seem to be prone to blow up.
1 - a Mini is not a sports car (thought we should establish that)
2 - there are lots of sports coupes that are sports cars. Here are two of mine, a half century apart. I much prefer them on highway trips - you aren't beaten half to death at the end of the day's run.
im anti front wheel drive but im also not a fan of anything newer then 93 
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