And the official 'Sti' announcement was already made 2 years ago...because the tS has been sold in Japan for a while now...there's already people in the US that have converted to all tS suspension/chassis upgrades as well.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44673
Vracer111 wrote: I think y'all are overlooking the fact the tS has Recaro Sportster CS seats, which would be reason enough to get a tS ($6k in the 2 seats right there because of the airbags...and totally blow away the stock seat in comfort and putting you IN the seat - the stocks still sit you ON the seat...and too high as well). I'm actually current fabbing up mounting for a Recaro Sportster CS going in as the new drivers seat for my FR-S (really disliked the stock seat ergonomics from day one, just finally have the means to purchase the Recaro recently and correct one of the worst things about the FR-S...) Some may cry at the no power increase/no boost in an 'STi' model. Honestly, if it were available only as a boosted Subaru motor I would never have gone with it to begin with. I already have misgivings about a Subaru motor being forced in the car to begin with...don't make it worse by adding boost to the car. Should have had a high revving NA I4 Toyota motor to begin with... but that's for a different thread. When the FA20 in my FR-S blows (it's a when, not an if proposition in this car...but hopefully at least get 100k out of the motor) it's going to be a toss up of what to replace it with...an F20C from an AP2 S2000 would be what I think is ideal for the chassis as a daily driver, but then I really like the Vorshlag LS conversion prospect as well... Why would I want to burden this chassis with yet a different Subaru powerplant...give me a 2.0L+ Toyota or Honda I4 or an LS V8 motor! So yah...Subaru keep the motor unboosted - but please work on making it more robust/reliable as a daily driver. Fix the way too low oil pressure and coil-pack failures from heat related issues... P.S. Did you know the coil packs are a frequent consumable on this car? If you track the car with regularly it will be a yearly replacement expense - at least it's only ~$100 a coil pack...if you just daily drive you should be able to go 3 years between coil packs. My coil pack 1 started going at 2 years of just daily driving with 1 single track day 1 month after I first got the car. The low oil pressure and coil pack issues are for all year models...there has been no solution yet from Subaru/Toyota, even though there have been 3 revisions of the coil packs. The engine bay just runs too dang hot...need to get heat out of the engine bay! But no matter, lets add a turbo into the situation...oh wait, that's why no Turbo!A turbo motor would be nothing but a nightmare to deal with considering Subaru/Toyota still can't figure out how to deal with the heat issue from just the normally aspirated motor it seems. Engine bay heat issue is why I will be taking some radical action to reduce under-hood temp... opening up fenders to act as vents, heat absorptive and reflective materials where needed, additional heat shielding, forced air ducting, etc... Oil temps get to the 220-230F range for my daily drive to/from work.
DI seals were fixed 2 MY ago. People put heat shielding around the No. 1 coil.
This sounds like the "OMG ALL MODERN GERMAN CARS DIE EVERY WEEK AND COST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO FIX!"
NOHOME wrote: That not going to do anything to fix whats wrong with the Twins, which is the enthusiast market.
The customer is always right in the case of demand. If the customer is choosing not to buy it then the car is what's wrong. It's not catering to the needs and wants of the said enthusiasts.
Enthusiasts wanted a new AE86 (this car but a few hundred pounds lighter) or a Silvia S15 (this car but with a turbocharged engine). They got neither.
z31maniac wrote: No idea, there are multiple Forced induction kits for the car that bring it anywhere from 250whp to 330whp and maintain reliability on the street and the track. You can make 280whp on the stock fuel pump and injectors!
I am unwilling to do that kind of work to a new car. However I AM willing to do that kind of work to an old cheap car like a Miata or to buy a car already done up like that fully covered by warranty and guaranteed by the manufacturer.
The amount of people that want to do what you said is tiny. The people unwilling to do the work and some of those who are willing instead went out and bought 370z, Mustang GT, or older cars like the S2000.
kanaric wrote: The amount of people that want to do what you said is tiny. The people unwilling to do the work and some of those who are willing instead went out and bought 370z, Mustang GT, or older cars like the S2000.
Good for you, but to say the amount of people who want to do that is tiny? That's laughable.
There are literally thousands and thousands of guys with the Twins running an FI setup.
It's Miata/RX8 all over again. Certain manufacturers just don't see the return on big HP versions of their cars. I totally disagree, since so much development work goes into a platform, why not have two versions to appeal to two customer profiles? I know that there's a good chance that the cars won't pan out on a direct ROI basis, but there's also something to be said for a Halo car that everyone's still talking about for years. If the current H4 can't reliably handle the boost, put the STI motor in there.
I've long wondered why Kia/Hyundai or similar emerging company never played the crazy HP card just for the publicity and cred with enthusiasts. Now that they're comfortably established, they don't need the notoriety that a turbocharged V8 would give the Genesis. Or alternately, a 250 HP turbo 4 in a microcompact.
Here's some fuel for the fire...
http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/This-is-Subarus-450bhp-BRZ-STI-2015-04-01
z31maniac wrote:kanaric wrote: The amount of people that want to do what you said is tiny. The people unwilling to do the work and some of those who are willing instead went out and bought 370z, Mustang GT, or older cars like the S2000.Good for you, but to say the amount of people who want to do that is tiny? That's laughable. There are literally thousands and thousands of guys with the Twins running an FI setup.
I would need proof of this. You are literally claiming that most of this cars sales have forced induction now when I have only seen one done up with a supercharger kit out of "thousands and thousands" of them that i've seen at meets and events.
How many people even at this website that own a FRS have done it? And this is a serious enthusiasts site. Of which MOST FRS buyers are NOT
Until otherwise I will remain thinking it's a tiny amount, like it is for every other car of this type at this age. Tiny is a very reasonable claim "thousands and thousands" which can imply as much as 1/3 of it's sales is not. I would be surprised if it was even 10% of the cars right now.
You must be thinking of 240SXs.
H6 please.
kanaric wrote: Enthusiasts wanted a new AE86 (this car but a few hundred pounds lighter) or a Silvia S15 (this car but with a turbocharged engine). They got neither.
Having owned AE86's for a long time, and having a bought an FR-S, I disagree slightly. I don't think you could get much closer to a modern AE86 in today's market with today's safety/power/mileage standards and expectations. The twins have 75% more power than an AE86, 55% more torque, 15% more weight, and 16% more section width to the tires. Given that it has a similar character, similar fun factor, similar seating/interior space to an AE86 coupe and that it is a bit wider and a tiny bit lower, but about the same length within a couple inches, I think they did a damn good job.
I bought one and love it, which seems like a common sentiment among owners. Others have passed on the twins and have their doubts, which means that Toyota and Subaru missed a chunk of the enthusiast market. To each his own, but I am not sure how much more of a modern AE86 could be made.
To be honest, I could care less. Car is too small for me comfortably. Just wanted to see if I could spark something.
I do love watching you guy's go at it, though.
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