...so bad
...so bad
What does the SVT badge do to it?
don't you see the intercooler? 
I do now! 
What about the 250HP SVT Focus as a potential precursor to a full blown RS:
From here: http://svtusa.com/2010/09/250-horsepower-2012-ford-focus-st-announced/
Interesting to see how Ford markets them against the Speed3...
Ecobo0st V6 Fiesta? plz?
Raze wrote: Interesting to see how Ford markets them against the Speed3...
I'm curious about that, myself. The MS3 is on the same chassis, has more power, and considering that Ford's website shows a 2011 Focus optioned up to an MSRP of $23k, it's a safe bet to guess it'll be cheaper, too.
Heck, a no-option 2011 V6 Mustang will be cheaper, and it's RWD with another 50+ hp.
I mean, yes, the SVT Fiesta is sexy, and I want one, but for the price their likely to charge, my money would almost certainly go elsewhere based on the information I have now.
EDIT: Err, I gots confuzzed. My curiousity is how Ford is going to market the SVT Focus (or Focus ST or Focus RS or whatever they're calling the Ecoboost Focus) against the MS3, not the Fiesta.
I think I'd rather have a Mazdaspeed2...at least in base trims, the 2 is almost 200lbs lighter than the Fiesta.
In reply to ReverendDexter:
I think the Focus ST's trump over the MS3 is with equipment. It will probably have all sorts of techno-wizardry like the SYNC system. Also, the Mk. 3 Focus chassis is supposed to be either entirely new or a very heavily revised version of the Mk. 2 Focus/Mazda 3 chassis, and they have done a better job of quelling torque steer than Mazda. I'm not sure the ST will have the RevoKnuckle system of the Mk. 2 Focus RS, though. Mazda says developing a similar system for the MS3 would drive the price up into Evo/STi territory. Getting someone to buy a $30,000+ FWD sport compact is a tough sell, no matter how brilliant it is.
It's not likely many buyers will cross-shop the Mustang to the Focus ST, either. I'd love a base Mustang V-6 with the Track Pack. However, the Track Pack is impossible to find locally, the Mustang doesn't come with a hatch (I carry around bulky cargo often), and while I'm not scared of RWD in the snow, the normals are. If I had the money, I might have a V-6 'Stang as a RWD toy instead of my FC3S.
Per Schroeder wrote: I think I'd rather have a Mazdaspeed2...at least in base trims, the 2 is almost 200lbs lighter than the Fiesta.
Yes please.
I hadn't heard that Mazda was planning a Mazdaspeed 2, whereas Fiesta prototypes are on the street.
That's because the all-new Mazda2 is coming in 2012 with the Sky engine.
Heck, a no-option 2011 V6 Mustang will be cheaper, and it's RWD with another 500 lbs.
Fixed it
Javelin wrote: That's because the all-new Mazda2 is coming in 2012 with the Sky engine.
What's the Sky engine?
GTwannaB wrote: Heck, a no-option 2011 V6 Mustang will be cheaper, and it's RWD with another 170 horsepower.
Re-fixed it.
After flogging a handful of super early (some were saying Euro spec) Fiestas at the Team O'Neil Rally School last weekend I can say that these are fun little car blobs (I say that affectionately). It just seems like all the new small cars have to be blob-like.
Anyway, they have great steering feel and chassis feedback, a fair to good shift feel and power above 2,800rpm didn't feel horrible in the muck. These were well maintained beaters but you could rotate them with LFBing (left foot braking) with ease.
I heard about those. Ken Block and Ford donated 43 of the 100 Fiesta Movement cars to Team O'Neil. They are Euro-spec, so they would otherwise have been sent to the crusher. It's a good thing too. I was talking to Tim O'Neil at the New England Forest Rally while I was volunteering and he said his school has bought and gone through nearly every late 80's/early 90s VW and Audi in the region!
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/19/ex-fiesta-movement-cars-will-live-on-at-team-oneil-fiesta-rally/
Looks like I may finally be going to Rally School!
Nice, though I don't see that Ken Block had anything to do with the donation - did I miss that in the autoblog story?
It didn't mention him in the story, but here's Block with O'Neil and one of the cars:
http://www.autoevolution.com/news-image/ford-debuts-the-fiesta-rally-school-22489-2.html
O'Neil also supplied Lucy Block, Ken's wife, with a Mazdaspeed3 rally car at NEFR. She had a better weekend than he did!
Here a shot of the last one I got out of. Some were in better mechanical shape than others :) Some students actually didn't know how to drive manual before showing up so some of the clutches/sycronizers are in tough shape. I think they try to limit the abuse to one car though :)
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