Tell me why I don't want an EcoBoost F-150 vs the 5.0 or any other brands.

Javelin wrote: In reply to z31maniac: Okay, I get it. You have some preconceived notions about Dodge so you will blindly ignore what's clearly the best truck on the market right now. That's fine, I do understand that. However, I'd take a new GM (14 model) over the F-150, in either V6TT or V8 form. The LS/LT engine architecture is so much more robust and reliable, plus cheaper to service to maintain, and as a bonus it has a better torque curve for towing. The fuel economy will be a wash. Keep in mind the 2014 F150 is still basically a 2004, the 2014 Chevy and GMC are both all new. I'd strongly suggest driving the GM twins if you are thinking new truck and insist on ignoring the Ram.

SO much more robust and reliable? I'd be shocked if you couldn't get 200k out of the power train in any modern truck with proper maintainence.

Also, the current F-150 came out in 2009, not 2004.

I am sad that Nissan and Cummins apparently did not continue with their 2.4l diesel plan.

If the new RAM diesel is getting 26 in journalist testing I wonder what happens when you remove EGR and tune it like they do with the liberty

Thing is, no amount of fuel economy is going to save you money over depreciation on a new truck

FWIW I daily drive a 2012 Ram for work and it has had some issues. We've had to replace 4x4 electronics 2 or 3 times and also the brake pedal switch. It only has 16k miles on it so not very good so far.

That said, our work trucks have the 4.7 non hemis in them and its a great engine. Not hard to be doing 75 at the end of an onramp.

I feel compelled to mention that toyota has an optional supercharger for the I-force v8. Even if that in no way contributes to this decision, it's still awesome. I see a blown 5.7 4x4 standard cab on my commute, that thing must honk.

Had to bring this one back up because Dodge/Jeep/Ram won nearly every award under the Texas sun over the weekend: http://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/14/2014-ram-1500-named-truck-texas-rodeo/#continued

Note that unlike Motor Trend, et all, they test every truck currently on the market at the same time, not just the newest ones, and the Ram 1500 won every category it was in. Note that they also test every available powertrain.

It sounds like the new Ram 1500 "EcoDiesel" is going to be an awesome truck.

(But if you're still gung-ho on the F-150, buy a used 5.0 Lariat)

In reply to Javelin:

I don't think your press releases and comparasins are going to change anyones opinions on why we don't trust chrysler.....

Javelin wrote: (But if you're still gung-ho on the F-150, buy a used 5.0 Lariat)

This is likely the scenario I'll go with.

We are in the process of refinancing to a 15-year mortgage and next year I'm going to up my 401k contribution.

A new truck will take to much money from the racing budget.

yamaha wrote: In reply to Javelin: I don't think your press releases and comparasins are going to change anyones opinions on why we don't trust chrysler.....

Said in the company of people that buy Yugo's and AMC's on purpose. Oh, irony.

z31maniac wrote:

Javelin wrote: (But if you're still gung-ho on the F-150, buy a used 5.0 Lariat)

This is likely the scenario I'll go with. We are in the process of refinancing to a 15-year mortgage and next year I'm going to up my 401k contribution. A new truck will take to much money from the racing budget.

Yeah, used the 5.0 F-150 is going to be a hard bargain to beat. With all the buzz on the EcoBoost, the 5.0's are actually a little soft in the resale area. Plus, since they sold a lot more of them, they'll be easier to find than a Ram anyway. Even though it's possible to option out nearly every trim level very well, I'd recommend finding a specific trim that matches your needs, just to make it easier to find. For example, if I was in the F-150 market, the FX4 has the things that are important to me (skid plates and what not). You may want the Lariat and then check for the tow package.

I don't know where you live but if you buy a dodge oil spray that sucker 2 or 3 times a yr,up here in Ontario I see rotted out new'ish dodges by the dozens every day.Probably 10-1 compared to chev's and fords of equal vintage.

Based on the published reliability ratings anything in the dodge/fiat and whatever else group is consistantly near the bottom of all auto makers.

I'm hoping the new Tacoma comes out next yr as I'll be in the market I think.

This is precisely why we are worried about Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge/Ram products......

Can't get the new fancy transmissions to work right......oh the ironing.

http://jalopnik.com/19-000-jeep-cherokees-have-been-built-and-not-one-is-fo-1445825090

In reply to z31maniac:

Ah yes, because the brand new 9-speed auto in the FWD chassis has so much to do with everything else they built. Of course crucify a company for making sure they get it right before they release the cars into the wild, unlike somebody else...

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/06/03/2013-ford-models-hit-with-trio-of-recalls-465k-for-fire-risk/

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/12/16/ford-recalls-16-000-f-series-pickups-over-transmission-concern/

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/11/30/ford-recalling-89k-2013-fusion-and-escape-models-over-engine-fir/

This is seriously one of the worst threads ever.

Javelin wrote: In reply to z31maniac: Ah yes, because the brand new 9-speed auto in the FWD chassis has so much to do with everything else they built. Of course crucify a company for making sure they get it right before they release the cars into the wild, unlike somebody else... http://www.autoblog.com/2013/06/03/2013-ford-models-hit-with-trio-of-recalls-465k-for-fire-risk/ http://www.autoblog.com/2011/12/16/ford-recalls-16-000-f-series-pickups-over-transmission-concern/ http://www.autoblog.com/2012/11/30/ford-recalling-89k-2013-fusion-and-escape-models-over-engine-fir/

You are seriously the easiest person to troll in the entire world.

You should really consider stepping back from the keyboard for awhile.

In reply to z31maniac:

Well you just played me like a fiddle then. Is that all you do for fun, troll people?

I think it was less of a real troll, than it was a way to let you bow out gracefully.

I'll never understand this kind of rabid brand loyalty that encourages blind, repetitive, opinionated cheerleading on the internet.

If i was Buddy, i'd be pretty E36 M3ty that my thread got spammed with unwanted advertisements in the manner it did. I mean, i'm E36 M3ty that i even bothered to read this.

He's asking about trucks. He's made it pretty clear that he doesn't feel that the Ram is a good fit and he doesn't want one. What about that offends you enough that you feel the need to make a dozen posts telling him that he's wrong?

In reply to Swank Force One:

Because he is

Why do you think every other learn me thread is bombarded with Miata? Because it's usually the best answer. The best answer for the OP is the Ram. He thinks the Ram is "unreliable" like most people think the Miata is "gay", so I tried to help him out. If you'll notice I actually talk about the 5.0 F150 quite a bit, especially as the best used option.

But no, let's just beat it over the head because latching on to just one thing posted is far more entertaining than actually reading and comprehending an entire thread. I give up, buy whatever the berkeley you want, it doesn't affect me anyway. And what the berkeley about "brand loyalty" to me?!? Seriously Mr F2T all the Toyotas? I own a Mazda, a Pontiac, a Porsche, and an AMC and just sold a damn SAAB. I recommend E36 M3 from P71 to Porsche 911 and everything in between, including many, many Fords. Yeah sure, I'm the one stuck on one brand.

I swear this site is making me less and less into cars.

/out

Javelin wrote: I swear this site is making me less and less into cars. /out

If visiting a web site is making you enjoy your hobby less, you really DO need to step away from the keyboard for awhile.

Javelin wrote: In reply to Swank Force One: Because he is Why do you think every other learn me thread is bombarded with Miata? Because it's usually the best answer. The best answer for the OP is the Ram. He thinks the Ram is "unreliable" like most people think the Miata is "gay", so I tried to help him out. If you'll notice I actually talk about the 5.0 F150 quite a bit, especially as the best used option. But no, let's just beat it over the head because latching on to just one thing posted is far more entertaining than actually reading and comprehending an entire thread. I give up, buy whatever the berkeley you want, it doesn't affect me anyway. And what the berkeley about "brand loyalty" to *me*?!? Seriously Mr F2T all the Toyotas? I own a Mazda, a Pontiac, a Porsche, and an AMC and just sold a damn SAAB. I recommend E36 M3 from P71 to Porsche 911 and everything in between, including many, many Fords. Yeah sure, I'm the one stuck on one brand. I swear this site is making me less and less into cars. /out

The difference is that when i say the answer is Miata, it's because i own two of them, and while i'm not especially fond of them, i also didn't spend the next few months bitterly trying to keep people from buying them over and over and over again in the same thread because i got burned by a E36 M3ty example of one. (Mmmmm... dat 1.6 you had mmmmmmmmm)

When i say the answer is F2T, i'm also joking, but i also currently own two F2T powered cars, have owned 4, will own a 5th shortly, and am combining the best of both worlds into one F2T powered Miata. One could say that i have real world experience, since there's really no magazine articles testing F2Ts against anything that matters today.

BUT, i also don't spam 5 pages of a thread with advertisements for Miatas or F2Ts, because i just REALLY don't care that much, and i wouldn't expect anyone else to, either.

How many 2014 Dodge Rams have you owned?

My mistake for putting "brand loyalty" out there. I'm sticking with "obnoxious cheerleading spam" though. You weren't trying to help him out. You were trying to post as much stuff as you could find in an effort to make your opinion the "right" one.

The Ram is a nice truck. A great truck. And we established pages ago that he doesn't want one. Why is this still a discussion?

No Mopars for me either. I've seen too many complete piles of crap from Dodge... sorry "Ram"... for me to trust them for another 20 years. How many people still think Hyundai/Kia is a E36 M3ty company for the Excel? Well, at least they pulled their heads out of their collective ass and have spent the last 15 years trying to build good cars and change their image.

Dodge spent 25 years making junk and instead of making an effort to build good vehicles, they just changed the name to "Ram".

This has been the most enjoyment I have had in a long time.