The 2nd Gen Hyundai Veloster 1.6T as a great autox car is a big fat "NO".

In reply to bobzilla :

Since we had a number of members from FW at that event I had already looked at the results.  I did see there was a "N" there in DS.  My understanding that with the N when you turn the system off it is actually fully off.  Hyundai also has a maintenance schedule for it if you track the car.  The Veloster N was designed to be raced with an extra $8,000 in adjustable electronic suspension & exhaust with other performance goodies.  Plus the more powerful 2.0 engine it seems to be quick.  Now I am not sure it's super competitive in DS against the Honda Type-R & the Focus RS.  Steve Mieritz is co-driving with me and he also has problems with the stability system in the R-Spec.  I can't quite beat him in the Neon but both our outings in the R-Spec I have been able to finish just a head of him.  I think I feather the gas more than he does.  Hit me up sometime & maybe you can make a run in it.

With Volkswagens if you have the right kind of scan tool you can change how the ABS module is coded. Volkswagen/Audi uses the same basic ABS control module and pump combination on all of their cars, and they use different codes to unlock different features depending on the car.  For example, in some markets the GTI might have a two stage traction control and stability control defeat, while in the US market you can only turn off traction control. But if you change a couple of bytes on the coding you can turn off your US market car's stability control.

Can the Veloster N's stability control be completely switched off?

MrFancypants said:

Can the Veloster N's stability control be completely switched off?

My concern with this stuff is:  How do you know?  It sure seems like it from reviews & results.  But what happens if you put on some wider wheels and some A6s?

Ozzy said:

In reply to bobzilla :

Since we had a number of members from FW at that event I had already looked at the results.  I did see there was a "N" there in DS.  My understanding that with the N when you turn the system off it is actually fully off.  Hyundai also has a maintenance schedule for it if you track the car.  The Veloster N was designed to be raced with an extra $8,000 in adjustable electronic suspension & exhaust with other performance goodies.  Plus the more powerful 2.0 engine it seems to be quick.  Now I am not sure it's super competitive in DS against the Honda Type-R & the Focus RS.  Steve Mieritz is co-driving with me and he also has problems with the stability system in the R-Spec.  I can't quite beat him in the Neon but both our outings in the R-Spec I have been able to finish just a head of him.  I think I feather the gas more than he does.  Hit me up sometime & maybe you can make a run in it.

yay! 

EDIT: You're also welcome to come beat the first generation Korean crapbox sporty car. The N was "only" 1.4 seconds faster than the Tib on 245 RS-4's and fancy pants coilovers that cost over three times the purchase price of the car.

This is giving me flashbacks to 9th gen civic Si ownership. I would swap wheels/tires for autox/track days, the car would notice the TPMS sensors weren't registering and you couldn't disable TC/VSC and the car would just fall flat on its face in every turn. The solution was to by programmable TPMS sensors give them the same ID as the factory ones. 

Don't you wish they would program all these extra fail safes for other functions in modern cars? You can pull the fuse and unplug sensors and VSC/TC/ABS will all still somehow work. 

In reply to bobzilla :

What about the Scoupe?

In reply to Pete. (l33t FS) :

you mean the 2 door Excel? IN all honesty the GK tib was their first real effort at a sporty car. Yeah, they made the Turbo Scoupe out from the excel. They made the first gen Tib (RD) but that was trluy a 2 door elantra. Outside of body panels and interior trim, the whole car was the same as the Elantra of the era. The GK shared chassis with the XD Elantra, but finally offered a unique brake, engine/trans from it's four door stable mates. 

The real sports care came in 2010MY with the Genesis Coupe. sorta.... still shared with the 4dr Genesis sedan but at least... nah. Screw it. They were all wannabes

DirtyBird222 said:

Don't you wish they would program all these extra fail safes for other functions in modern cars? You can pull the fuse and unplug sensors and VSC/TC/ABS will all still somehow work. 

At the end of last year we had a "Daily Driver Shootout" class at our final autocross.  I ran the V60.

Even with the Polestar tune, with all the nannies off and in manual / sport mode, I couldn't get it to stay in first, even though it got nowhere near the redline.

But the worst thing was the seatbelt pretensioners.  It wasn't so bad when driven normally, but as soon as I tried left-foot braking to keep the boost up, it freaked out.  It kept jacking the seatbelts in tighter and tighter - by the second half of a 45 second run, I literally couldn't breathe in and had to finish on held breath.

In reply to bobzilla :

They were just doing what everyone else was doing, though.  The SVX was a six cylinder Legacy with tiny windows.  The Mustang was a reskinned Falcon, or Fairlane, or Pinto, or Fairmont.  The Celicas were mostly other cars.  Nissan made a whole career out of using one chassis for everything. 

So I can't fault them in the least for platform sharing.

I am surprised you need to do the pedal dance to turn off the traction control. My Abarth has a button on the dash for that. Press it once to get partial off and hold for 5 seconds to turn everything off. I usually leave it in partial off as it allows some wheel spin and slide before the computer reins everything in.

I'd like to speak with the Hyundai manager.

mad_machine (Forum Supporter) said:

I am surprised you need to do the pedal dance to turn off the traction control. My Abarth has a button on the dash for that. Press it once to get partial off and hold for 5 seconds to turn everything off. I usually leave it in partial off as it allows some wheel spin and slide before the computer reins everything in.

that is how it works with the N

mad_machine (Forum Supporter) said:

I am surprised you need to do the pedal dance to turn off the traction control. My Abarth has a button on the dash for that. Press it once to get partial off and hold for 5 seconds to turn everything off. I usually leave it in partial off as it allows some wheel spin and slide before the computer reins everything in.

It works the same way in the Veloster.  There is no pedal dance.  Trac control goes off with the button, hold it in for a couple sec to turn stability/"everything" off.

The issue is that even when it says everything is off, it isn't 100% off.  

Our event 6 & 7 (Hoosier Challenge) is in the books.  The R-Spec still continues to be a huge source of frustration for autox use.  We finally got to run against a fast Honda Civic SI (1st & 5th place on PAX out of 134 drivers) & the closest my co-driver got was 1.38sec off it (16th PAX).  I was 1.85 (23 PAX) & 2.14 on Saturday.  The car continues to shut itself down when you try to rotate it or you get that inside tire in the air.  Between the stability system problem & the open diff the Veloster wouldn't even be nationally competitive against a HS class Ford Fiesta ST.  To bad because the car sure wants to go fast but the computer won't let it.  Don't get me wrong the car is a hoot on the street & still pulls 35mpg on 87.  I bought it to put my youngest in once he starts to drive so it will still be in my car fleet.  But for competitive autox Hyundai isn't there.  I am already planning the next car & my co-driver is still hoping to get his national champion FSP Civic back running soon.  Then we should have some dependably fast autox options.

Wow, I'm surprised you are still trying it.  I'd have given up as soon as I confirmed the system can't be fully defeated.