Until this past February, none of my own cars had ever been involved in a significant racing accident. Sure, I’ve seen a few bad mishaps in the three decades I’ve been doing this stuff. And yes, the magazine receives photos on a fairly regular basis from various events where something tragic has ha…
I'll echo the sediments regarding the safety of modern cars and their safety equipment. I was the misfortune of the PASM on a 981 decide that the left rear brake needed to be engaged while I was setting up for entry to turn 1 at Road America, 141mph into the left STRAIGHT into the wall at 90 degrees I went. You couldnt turn the vehicle so crisply into a 90 degree turn at that speed if you had wanted to. In less then 15 seconds I was out of the car under my own power and was even cleared to go on track again by medical that afternoon (though I declined). 15 years ago I would've thought that such a shunt would've left a better than 50% change of life changing injury, or worse, in a vehicle that was delivered as anything less than a body in white level of preparation.
Be safe out there.
Most of us also need to consider the potential medical costs and what level of medical insurance we have/don't have. An ambulance ride and an over night in a hospital can easily eclipse the cost of a racecar.
This crash and your willingness to talk about it has started some conversations with friends and I about what we want out of racing and when in our lives we should be doing it.
Would you donate those wheels and other parts to my charity?
It's not just the safety gear, but also the safety mindset, that has also improved. I remember being 5-6 years old and sleeping on the back deck of mom's old caprice classic while driving. Only on the interstate did Dad tell us to belt up. Almost lost family members a couple times in rollovers, with other passengers in the vehicles getting ejected. Thank god I was never in one. Always ended up very badly back then.
My own 7 year old daughter? Still in the back seat, in a high back booster, strapped in to go anywhere the car is moving. Came across a real bad rollover a couple months back. End over end 4 times in a Ford Explorer at 80mph. The driver was belted in and had no obvious injuries.
So yeah, the safety gear has improved. Thankfully people have improved in how often they use it. Now if only bikers would start wearing helmets. Buried a few friends because of that.
plance1 wrote: Would you donate those wheels and other parts to my charity?
We'd love to, but they're headed to LeMons Miata v2.0.
First off I'm really glad everyone involved walked away with no issues. Having said that I'm not sure I agree with this paragraph.
Tim Suddard wrote: I think a shout-out is in order–to Mazda in particular and modern cars in general. It is amazing how effectively this thing sacrificed itself so that the driver would not be injured.
I'm honestly not sure this has anything to do with it being a Miata or a modern car. If this was a road accident everyone walked away from I can see you saying 'Kudos Mazda, we'd have been dead in an MGB' But honestly from the look of the car it was pretty much pancked up to the cage area. I think any small open car would have done just as well with the same thorough safety equipment in it.
mazdeuce wrote: Most of us also need to consider the potential medical costs and what level of medical insurance we have/don't have. An ambulance ride and an over night in a hospital can easily eclipse the cost of a racecar. This crash and your willingness to talk about it has started some conversations with friends and I about what we want out of racing and when in our lives we should be doing it.
That's an excellent point. When I used to race in the 90's I took out extra life and injury coverage. I read it very carefully and it excluded 'Drag racing' specifically along with things like sky diving, but it did not exclude track driving. I think back than on track activities were far less common, or at least less common knowledge so they weren't excluded. These days I think all track activity would be excluded.
I'd be interested to know what the outcome of your discussion was and how it may affect you activities, one lap? possible future W2W?
If I ever go W2W again (unlikely without a massive unforeseen infusion of cash) it would be historic with a 13/13 rule that really seems to keep people respectful, certainly not something like spec Pinata. This also links back to the concussion/head injury/Sarah Fisher thread.
Adrian_Thompson wrote: I'd be interested to know what the outcome of your discussion was and how it may affect you activities, one lap? possible future W2W?
Two things that have come out of my One Lap and track driving over the last couple of years.
1. I'm not willing to instruct on track. The consequences of a mistake (either mechanical or driver) that I have no control over are too high for my family. The instructing I've been asked to do pays about $100 a day. There is no way that's worth it.
2. Street car safety gear should be kept close to street speeds. Modern cars (and maybe this has always been true) are too fast to drive on track with stock three point belts and no rollover protection. I have faith that Cadillac designed the V Wagon to go over at 80 and keep me pretty safe. I don't think they meant for it to do the same at 140+.
I'll still do track events, and I might even go against what I said by doing them in the Cadillac, but when I do you'll find me being the classic 80% driver. The One Lap truck discussion is drifting toward using an extended or even crew cab so that proper rollover protection can be more easily integrated. Still in the discussion phase but we're thinking about it.
I'll probably do W2W someday, but it will be when me getting hurt/killed will be an emotional tragedy and not an economic one. If something happens to me now my kids lose their day to day caregiver as well as their dad.
I'd have to agree with Adrian to some extent. I'm sure the car is better built than some 70s jalopy and doubtless helps connect things together better, but the majority of the credit has to go to your safety preparations and equipment.
Safety is paramount in racing and I'm glad that these series have no limit on safety prep for these cars.
Care to post any detailed pictures of the cage?
No problem. All of the cage details are in the car's updates, which are here:
https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/project-cars/1992-yellow-mazda-miata/upgrading-bar-cage/
The cage looks exactly the same now as it did when I welded it in. No deformation at all.
Thanks Tom. I just realized I read that page awhile ago and completely forgot that I did.
I occasionally see a bad crash at SCCA or NASA. Fortunately, for the ones I've seen, the driver has been ok afterwards. But there is that brief time before I know the driver's status, when I see the immense damage to the vehicle and the barriers, and I don't know how anybody could have gotten out of it okay, much less whole. That haunts me.
mazdeuce wrote:Adrian_Thompson wrote: I'd be interested to know what the outcome of your discussion was and how it may affect you activities, one lap? possible future W2W?Two things that have come out of my One Lap and track driving over the last couple of years. 1. I'm not willing to instruct on track. The consequences of a mistake (either mechanical or driver) that I have no control over are too high for my family. The instructing I've been asked to do pays about $100 a day. There is no way that's worth it. 2. Street car safety gear should be kept close to street speeds. Modern cars (and maybe this has always been true) are too fast to drive on track with stock three point belts and no rollover protection. I have faith that Cadillac designed the V Wagon to go over at 80 and keep me pretty safe. I don't think they meant for it to do the same at 140+. I'll still do track events, and I might even go against what I said by doing them in the Cadillac, but when I do you'll find me being the classic 80% driver. The One Lap truck discussion is drifting toward using an extended or even crew cab so that proper rollover protection can be more easily integrated. Still in the discussion phase but we're thinking about it. I'll probably do W2W someday, but it will be when me getting hurt/killed will be an emotional tragedy and not an economic one. If something happens to me now my kids lose their day to day caregiver as well as their dad.
Interesting post, Adrian. Every year that I continue to instruct starts with a frank assessment of whether it's worth it. I'm still at it, but, over the 20 years I have been doing it, the speed capabilities of the cars has grown almost unbelievably. Student talent has remained the same--but the new cars cover up errors so well that even a total doofus can look pretty good with help from the nannies. I hope that little voice in my head will tell me to get out before something really bad happens.
Your point that "street car safety gear should be kept close to street speeds" is intriguing. My Cayman S, equipped with three point belts and airbag, will reportedly go 170 mph, and I routinely see 140 on track. A hard crash from those speeds would almost certainly overwhelm that safety gear. The solution, of course, would be to put in a cage or rollbar, race seats, and harnesses, but that would ruin or at least diminish the fun of the car in street use. I do not have the luxury of being able to afford a dedicated track car.
Terry
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