This is sad. Sarah Fisher having memory problems from multiple concussions.

Sorry, I meant the TBI incurred in a combat zone when a buried charge of C-4 blows up too close for comfort causing you to bleed from your eyes and ears.

That comes off a little like a head injury pissing match. It's an all-volunteer force, so while the dangers may be larger, i dont think there's any entitlement to special sympathy vs civilian TBI. Vets didn't have to join and athletes don't have to play and racers dont have to race and i didn't have to slide headfirst into a dishwasher at running speed or any of the other stupid E36 M3 that happens.

One day we can all argue about who is reading the clock in 'the home' correctly and all our previous distinctions will literally be forgotten.

Vigo wrote:

Sorry, I meant the TBI incurred in a combat zone when a buried charge of C-4 blows up too close for comfort causing you to bleed from your eyes and ears.

That comes off a little like a head injury pissing match. It's an all-volunteer force, so while the dangers may be larger, i dont think there's any entitlement to special sympathy vs civilian TBI. Vets didn't have to join and athletes don't have to play and racers dont have to race and i didn't have to slide headfirst into a dishwasher at running speed or any of the other stupid E36 M3 that happens. One day we can all argue about who is reading the clock in 'the home' correctly and all our previous distinctions will literally be forgotten.

Eh, this has the possibility of going off on a very bad tangent, but I can't let this statement lie. No, vets don't "have" to join. But someone does. And those that do ARE entitled to a bit more sympathy, IMO. They are risking their health and lives in the service of something greater than playing a game or enjoying a hobby.

Tom_Spangler wrote:

Vigo wrote:

Sorry, I meant the TBI incurred in a combat zone when a buried charge of C-4 blows up too close for comfort causing you to bleed from your eyes and ears.

That comes off a little like a head injury pissing match. It's an all-volunteer force, so while the dangers may be larger, i dont think there's any entitlement to special sympathy vs civilian TBI. Vets didn't have to join and athletes don't have to play and racers dont have to race and i didn't have to slide headfirst into a dishwasher at running speed or any of the other stupid E36 M3 that happens. One day we can all argue about who is reading the clock in 'the home' correctly and all our previous distinctions will literally be forgotten.

Eh, this has the possibility of going off on a very bad tangent, but I can't let this statement lie. No, vets don't "have" to join. But someone does. And those that do ARE entitled to a bit more sympathy, IMO. They are risking their health and lives in the service of something greater than playing a game or enjoying a hobby.

Well, it'll be even GREATERER when Trump makes America great again. You're right, there is a huge risk of it going off on a horrible tangent about how people who sign up ending up being hired guns for neoliberal corporatists who have defacto control of government and use it to subsidize 'defense' related industries to the tune of half of all federal dollars and kill millions of people (none of them white, btw, but that doesnt mean our foreign policy is rooted in white supremacy as part and parcel of American Exceptionalism or anything like that) in an effort to create an even bigger market for 'defense' against everybody you just pissed off. I agree that many vets deserve sympathy, but moreso for the indoctrination and lack of better options that contributed to their willingness to volunteer than for the actions they took once behind the uniform. I feel bad for all the vets with PTSD who come through my school's shop and have trouble with the loud noises in this industry. I feel bad for the vet who got pulled out of my class by Federal Marshals because he happened to know a guy who disliked his military experience enough to jump the fence at the white house. Does that count? There are tons of vets coming through this school on GI benefits and barely a one of them is happy about their experience. I feel bad for them.

Risk of tangent confirmed. What else can we 'not let lie'?.

In reply to Vigo:

Nope. You're all on your own with that tangent/rant buddy.

Cool, maybe we can forgo dickwaving about the legitimacy of military vs civilian injuries from here on.

I just want everyone to know that I can see the beehive. I have the stick in my hand... and I'm not going to whack it. But I really, really want to.

Ahem.

Huckleberry wrote: I have the stick in my hand... and I'm not going to whack it. But I really, really want to.

That's what he said?

mtn wrote:

Dr. Hess wrote: Personally, uh, professionally in a previous profession, I think that boxing should be "highly discouraged." Two men beating each other until one has brain damage is not something that people should be encouraged to participate in or watch.

I feel similarly about football. I'll defend hockey--it is a contact sport, not a collision sport--but football seems nuts to me. And my FIL, BIL, and brother all played college football.

STM317 wrote: In reply to Huckleberry: This study ( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10823540) compared acceleration/g forces of soccer ball head impacts vs collisions in other sports like football/hockey and found that peak acceleration from heading a soccer ball was 54G, while peak acceleration for inside a football helmet was 29.2G and hockey was 35G. It seems like football and hockey helmet collisions probably happen more frequently than heading a soccer ball once or twice a game, but the helmets used in other sports might deflect some of the force enough to lessen the damage.

Not speaking for football, since I'm not sure on it--seems like there is a lot of head to head for players on the line. But for hockey, you're taught not to lead with your head in a check. A head-butt is worth 30 days suspension. A check delivered to the head is worth 2+10 minutes, 5 minutes+game, or 30 day suspension. A check from behind that results in the player going head first into the boards is 5+game or 30 day suspension. You just don't see it all that much. I played at a relatively high level (HS varsity) and the 1 concussion I had was in a no-contact rat hockey with no one around me. I was making a tight turn and my edge gave out, hit my shoulder first and then my head whip-lashed into the ice.

You sound a lot like me. Played for 20 years. Stopped skating competitively after I was 19. Was offered a spot on a D1 club team after playing in HS, but opted to go to another University that sadly lacked Men's hockey in any capacity.

Got my first an only concussion in a D-Level beer league team. Some old man fell in front of me at center ice, and my borrowed helmet flew off. The ER doctor said I had a very mild concussion at worst, I never lost consciousness or anything of the sort, but everything was quite cloudy for some time afterward. I still have memory issues on occasion.

Reminds me why I quit playing paintball. Saw one ref get knocked out cold when he caught a string to the head, and got my bell rung once or twice the same way. Tried to bring it up with a few folks in the industry at the time, back when I had some good connections, and they just didn't care. so I walked away and never looked back.

Throw in all those sandlot football games, and a few other events, and I probably had a five or six minor concussions over the years. But you just didn't pay attention to them 20 years ago as long as you were conscious, not vomiting, and lucid. Sometimes I still fog out a bit and have to reign my focus back in. Between that, the tinnitus, and the torn cartilage in my chest... I am really happy to see all the focus on safety these days. I just wish it dawned on me before certain things happened. Long term effects from injury just plain suck, and mine are comparatively minor.

Right now I'm waiting with the wife in a shoe repair place. They have one of those TV shows on where families come on and yell, fight, and cry. Good god we're a nation of morons; I can't help but wonder how many hits to the head those people took. To think that people actually watch shows like this, ugh. So glad we cut the cord 15 yrs ago.

This thread delivers.

Unfortunately a timely thread for me. Was rear ended at a light two evenings ago. Felt Ok for about twelve hours, then really bad. Went to urgent care with serious headache and got worse including naseua. They called an ambulance. Spent the day in the hospital. found out that I had lost consciousness. Cat scan. Concussion. They gave me a shot of something which took me out. Home now dealing with the rest of my body. But the scariest is absolutely the concussion. Very no Bueno.

In reply to SPG123:

Just a concussion? Sounds kinda sub-dural-y. I think you were pretty lucky. I'd scan that again in a few days, or sooner if something changes.

I feel very lucky. Blessed. And will absolutely follow up. Today was the least physically active that I have been in years. Going to play this by the book.