icaneat50eggs
icaneat50eggs Reader
6/24/13 6:17 p.m.

After seeing my having great trouble turning my frankenfiat at it's first autocross, my buddy that runs crazy sand rails asked why i couldn't use a turning brake system on the rear (where all the weight is). I honestly don't know why these work in the sand, but couldn't work on the pavement.

I'm assuming there is a really good reason why this isn't done, but I can't think of it. So why can't I help my no weight on the nose car turn with turning brakes?

Javelin
Javelin MegaDork
6/24/13 6:24 p.m.

Well the new Focus ST has an "e-diff" that is really just an electronic turning brake system. It sounds great on paper, but the forums are rife with actual owners complaining of brake failures at HPDE's and autocrosses.

I'd imagine that even if you could somehow work some hand levers while doing everything else auotcrossing that you might burn up the brakes.

I'd assume you're getting too much weight transfer off of the front tires. Can you try stiffer rear springs first? How specifically is the car reacting in which situations?

icaneat50eggs
icaneat50eggs Reader
6/24/13 6:29 p.m.

rear springs are super stiff right now (and too tall, I have to cut them down some more) I just ran out of time to get them trimmed correctly before the first autox. The other problem was detailed in another thread, the freaking thing would go like hell but wouldn't stop. I really wanted to try to brake straight, then turn, but had a hard time doing it because the brakes were so bad. So a normal series would be like

ooo wow its fast

OOOOH CRAP TUUUURRRRBOOOOO

gotta stop

it's not stopping

MOTHER BERKELEYER STOP!!!

gotta start turning,

CRAP IT'S NOT TURNING

OOOOH CRAP IT'S REALLY REALLY TURNING!!!

so basically under steer understeer understeer oh crap oversteer.

icaneat50eggs
icaneat50eggs Reader
6/24/13 6:30 p.m.

good call on the know hands to do it with. That alone makes it undoable.

z31maniac
z31maniac PowerDork
6/24/13 6:34 p.m.

If you know your current setup isn't optimized at the moment, fix that first.

icaneat50eggs
icaneat50eggs Reader
6/24/13 6:37 p.m.

Not planning on actually doing turning brakes, more of a question of why they aren't used

Javelin
Javelin MegaDork
6/24/13 6:45 p.m.

Reasons why not:

Mechanical - not enough arms

Electronic - they suck and kill your brakes

Javelin
Javelin MegaDork
6/24/13 6:46 p.m.

As for actually fixing the car, what do you have done to the brakes? Do you have a build thread with details on the car?

icaneat50eggs
icaneat50eggs Reader
6/24/13 7:45 p.m.

I started a build thread, ill update it and post some questions there

Thanks!

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