z31maniac
z31maniac PowerDork
7/3/13 7:07 a.m.

So, I've been reading a bunch of articles on this during the week and it seems as if Pirelli is being made a scapegoat.

  1. It seems as though the curbs at Aintree and Chapel are particularly bad and/or the drivers were the taking the cars even farther off track.
  2. The teams were running pressures outside of the recommended ranges.
  3. The teams were running camber outside of the recommended ranges.
  4. The teams continue to run the rear tires on the opposite side they were originally designed for.

In Spa 2011, some teams had trouble with blistering the tires after running too much negative camber.

So my question is, if you intentionally run something outside of it's design specification, don't you take responsibility if it fails?

aussiesmg
aussiesmg UltimaDork
7/3/13 7:14 a.m.

Let's not forget that the F1 controlling body sets the tire specs and Pirelli has to make them to these control regulations

iceracer
iceracer UberDork
7/3/13 7:58 a.m.

it's sort of like a recent NASCAR race. One team had right front tire problems, others didn't.

Duke
Duke PowerDork
7/3/13 8:45 a.m.

I thought the FIA/F1 gods had specifically ordered Pirelli to make crappy tires on purpose?

So now they are blaming Pirelli for doing what they were told to do?

Yet more reason to dislike F1, for me.

DoctorBlade
DoctorBlade UltraDork
7/3/13 8:47 a.m.

I'm like Duke, I understood F1 wanted tires like that. Like NASCAR's crappy restrictions.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
7/3/13 8:48 a.m.

Hopefully the FIA is already looking for a 2014 tire supplier. Because if I were Pirelli, I'd be out of there.

Javelin
Javelin MegaDork
7/3/13 11:15 a.m.

This is 1,000,000% the FIA's fault.

yamaha
yamaha UberDork
7/3/13 11:19 a.m.

In reply to Javelin:

No it wasn't......

CGLockRacer wrote: What really happened at Silverstone
steronz
steronz Reader
7/3/13 12:17 p.m.

Here's a link to the full text of Pirelli's blame shift:

http://adamcooperf1.com/2013/07/02/pirellis-full-report-on-the-silverstone-debacle/

IMO, it's a complete cop out. Unless the curbs at Silverstone have changed this year, they wouldn't explain this issue. Tire pressures and camber settings could be used to explain one blowout, but this happened to 5 different teams over the course of the weekend, with at least 2 other teams noticing major punctures that would have resulted in a blowout if the drivers had stayed out. Seven teams are running outside of the recommended settings? Then your recommended settings are bogus. And IIRC, the tire switching was coordinated with and tacitly approved by Pirelli engineers to help solve some of the tire life issues they were having. Most, if not all teams, are flipping tires because they felt it was safer than having the tires fall apart on them.

Oh, that didn't work so well for them.

Now, I'm sympathetic to Pirelli because the FIA is changing things race by race, and it's hard to do full safety testing when trying to hit a moving target like that. But they should be blaming the FIA for giving them shartty specifications and then switching them with very little notice, not blaming the teams for trying to cope with their crappy tires.

mattmacklind
mattmacklind UltimaDork
7/3/13 2:10 p.m.
yamaha wrote: In reply to Javelin: No it wasn't......
CGLockRacer wrote: What really happened at Silverstone

OK I don't follow racing but that's the funniest thing I've seen all day.

AngryCorvair
AngryCorvair PowerDork
7/3/13 3:57 p.m.

but what does ralf schumacher have against hammy?

Hal
Hal Dork
7/3/13 9:22 p.m.

Picture shows the curbs in question. Drivers were going wide past the red and white and dropping a wheel on to the green and then coming back over the lip back onto the track. Couldn't be good for the tires.

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