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ransom
ransom Dork
1/10/12 12:59 a.m.

...or the TDI Sportwagen.

Or the Elantra.

I just bought a WRX. And I'm about as surprised as anybody.

I'm pretty darn stoked, too.

The upshot is that nobody's building the car we really want right now (the TDI would be it if it didn't have the Fuel Pump of Damocles hanging over it), so my girlfriend and I agreed that we might as well drive one of my "frivolous" semi-dream-cars while we're waiting for the ideal long-term car to arrive.

I've never owned a new car, and quite frankly, it's freaking me out a little bit. It had 6 miles on the odometer when we left the dealership tonight (after four hours of paperwork and negotiations).

Whew. Looking forward to a drive tomorrow when I have my brain back.

HiTempguy
HiTempguy SuperDork
1/10/12 1:18 a.m.
ransom wrote: Whew. Looking forward to a drive tomorrow when I have my brain back.

NO BOOST FOR YOU (until 3000 miles)

novaderrik
novaderrik Dork
1/10/12 2:27 a.m.

why did it take 4 hours to do the paperwork and negotiations?

Graefin10
Graefin10 HalfDork
1/10/12 5:57 a.m.
novaderrik wrote: why did it take 4 hours to do the paperwork and negotiations?

I'd really like to hear that story too.

I had a 5 month go at selling new cars. I spent 5 months of my life trying to make the managers happy without becoming an shiny happy person. I've never been so disgusted in my life as I was watching the way the long term salemen related to the customers and to each other. Especially the new guys. Not to mention the managers and the owner of the place. The last buying customer I had said, "Graefin10 I like you, but there's no way in hell I'd ever walk into this place if I didn't want this particular car". That clinched it for me. I delivered the car to his daughter's birthday party the next Saturday and I was out of there.

Klayfish
Klayfish HalfDork
1/10/12 6:12 a.m.

C'mon...fess up. Your plan was WRX all along, the Fit, TDI, Elantra was just you playing the "responsible" guy, so your girlfriend could say "That's so sweet of you, go ahead and get what you really want."

Feedyurhed
Feedyurhed Dork
1/10/12 6:35 a.m.

After the dust settles you will realize you got a great car.

ransom
ransom Dork
1/10/12 10:35 a.m.

The Story of the Four Hours:

(Dang, it's going to take four hours to read, too... Not sure it's that interesting...)

I'm a member of IMBA, and just found out a few weeks ago that one of their perks is an agreement with Subaru providing a pretty sweet deal on their cars. I'd been talking to one sales guy (the easiest to deal with and nicest we'd come across in this absurdly-protracted researching and buying phase), and he was familiar with the general way those work (Costco and others have sort of prearranged-pricing setups as well). In speaking to him, it seemed there was no reason that the WRX should present any problems (though I wasn't counting my chickens, as the paperworks clearly left the dealer some wiggle room).

When we went to the dealer yesterday, we expected to talk to the same sales guy (I'd called him earlier), and we also expected to either just be starting the process of trying to get a car to our specs transferred from another dealer, or even ordering one from Subaru, since when we'd been two weeks earlier and test-driven a WRX, the only hatch had been silver, and we were dead set on a darker color.

When we arrived, our guy was busy with someone else. I have no idea whether it was just the nature of a sale needing to finish or whether knowing that we were showing up with the IMBA papers he carefully arranged to be busy; this dealership nominally isn't commissioned, but clearly bases bonuses on sales. I have no idea whether a sale of reduced profitability due to discount dings the individual salesperson. In any case, we were handed off to another guy (after the first 'other guy' also had an appointment about to arrive), and then things got even weirder.

We reiterated what I'd previously told the first guy about what were after (hatchback, preferably dark grey, Premium with Base being OK, don't care one way or the other about Nav). To our surprise, they did have a dark grey Base hatch, no nav, on hand. We had a slight preference for a Premium model, so asked about getting one transferred. He said he'd get the keys and we could take this one for a drive.

At which point we became quite confused by his resistance to our protestations that we had already driven the WRX, liked it, and wanted to buy one, and that meandering the roads around the dealership wasn't a particularly useful way to spend time.

While I was re-filling the credit app I'd done two weeks earlier (subsequently shredded) in order to do the initial test drive, the Internet folks looked for a Premium car in the area. They found one about 400 miles away. This is about whether the mid-tier manager came in.

And this is where they exercised the vagaries of the IMBA discount. The specified deal is 2% under dealer invoice in general, but apparently this varies with the model. Again, we were not entirely surprised. But it did require some pondering. We'd walked in braced to leave with an agreement to buy a Premium for about what we were being offered a Base model for. By the time we got to this point, we'd already been there for at least an hour or so, probably an hour and a half.

From that point forward, the negotiations were a combination of counteroffers, and quite honestly some amount of my girlfriend and I just asking for a moment and pondering whether we should just leave... We'd walked in basically expecting to either be sold a WRX for the "general" IMBA discount, or if they exercised the option to apply lesser terms for the WRX, to buy a regular Impreza.

In the end, I feel like we got a pretty good deal. We are not skilled negotiators, but I think the paperwork, if nothing else, gave us some leverage in terms of what we expected walking in the door. I'd also readily believe that the sales folks were high-fiving when we left. Who can say for sure? Think I'll go look out the back window at the car again...

As an aside, I'm expecting a survey from Subaru shortly. Paranoid concerns of having been worked over aside, I have no real gripes about how we were treated. But I've heard a few stories about the manufacturers handle these surveys from folks here on the forums; basically, it sounds like if you give anything other than perfect marks, they withhold money (in the forms of incentives, bonuses, I dunno). Not that I'm utterly blown away by the experience, but I think that sounds insane, so I'm inclined to just give perfect marks if for no other reason than the stupidity of that process...

carguy123
carguy123 SuperDork
1/10/12 10:42 a.m.

4 hours doesn't seem so bad after experiencing the sales process in Cali. I was used to the Texas process where it all could be done in 4 hours, but no matter what dealer I went to in Cali it was an all day experience AT BEST.

dean1484
dean1484 SuperDork
1/10/12 12:03 p.m.

New car purchasing sucks. I go in with my research done and a price I am going to pay. No haggling don't wast my time here is the number. If they counter offer I walk.

Funny story.

I went to one toyota dealer looking at a corolla for my godfather. It was the correct color, option package etc. Told them my number. They countered I walked. I went to dealer #2. They did not have the car I wanted. I told the salesman what I wanted and the amount I wanted to pay and he told me he would get back to me. A day goes by and dealer #1 salesman calls me back saying that the car I was interested in may not be on the lot very long and he wanted to give me another opportunity. There price came down further but we were sill about $750 apart. I said no thanks and that my original offer is where I am staying. The next day the salesman from dealer #2 calls me an said he has a car for me at my price however it is not at there dealership yet (it is in transit). It should be in tonight and I can come down after 6:00 PM and look at it. I tell him ok. I arrive at dealer #2 and the car is there (just taken off the truck). I look at it and start to chuckle. It is the same car I looked at the first dealer (the dealer sticker on the back had not been removed yet and there was a small scratch by the key hole on the drivers door that I had commented to the salesman about at dealer #1. ) Dealer #2 sold me the car for what i wanted to pay. When the deal was one and my godfather had ownership of his new car I told the salesman. He just said hat it was a coincidence as they often trade cars back and forth as part of deals between the two dealers.

NGTD
NGTD Dork
1/10/12 1:54 p.m.
novaderrik wrote: why did it take 4 hours to do the paperwork and negotiations?

My dad used to take 4-6 WEEKS to negotiate a deal. Some times the dealerships just gave up and sold him the vehicle for the price he wanted - if he would just leave them alone.

chandlerGTi
chandlerGTi Reader
1/10/12 3:58 p.m.

Mine took 25 minutes, when the car actually came in I stopped on my way home from work loaded it up and went home. Most large companies have the buying deals for various automakers, my shop is "partially" owned by a large tire company so like your discount I walked in with a "x" plan and walked out with a car on order.

ransom
ransom Dork
1/10/12 5:08 p.m.

While I wish the IMBA thing had worked at its nominal rate (2% under invoice, but with a clause that let them out on a low-volume car like the WRX), I'm feeling pretty good after racking up miles 22-53 going to lunch.

I took a very easy drive up a favorite tight, winding road, speeds from 20-35mph, and it just goes where you point it, and when driven sedately just has torque on tap with very modest use of the right foot. Very satisfying.

Looking forward to finishing the break-in and being able to drive without so consciously restricting/varying throttle and RPM and keeping the revs safely below 4k...

Teh E36 M3
Teh E36 M3 Dork
1/10/12 7:00 p.m.

I'm interested in your longer term impression as well. We have an '02 wrx wagon that I love, but it's getting long in the tooth as our only family car. We're sort of between an E36 M3 and a new WRX. Ironically, the new WRX would be an easier convincing job to the wife. I'm the more fiscally conservative member. And she thinks the E36 M3 looks like a penis car.

irish44j
irish44j Dork
1/10/12 7:02 p.m.

YES.

My 09 wrx was my first brand-new car as well.

Now about to turn 60k miles, and I've enjoyed almost all of them.

irish44j
irish44j Dork
1/10/12 7:12 p.m.
Teh E36 M3 wrote: I'm interested in your longer term impression as well. We have an '02 wrx wagon that I love, but it's getting long in the tooth as our only family car. We're sort of between an E36 M3 and a new WRX. Ironically, the new WRX would be an easier convincing job to the wife. I'm the more fiscally conservative member. And she thinks the E36 M3 looks like a penis car.

My 09 (same as his '12 in almost every respect save fenders and a few minor suspension/wheel changes) has 60k miles on it as of later this week. What impressions are you looking for?

Quick overview: 1. I had one of the very early-build cars that all had the bad crank bearings. Mine went at 9k miles and I got a new longblock and turbo under warranty. I've had no engine issues of any kind since then, though I do need to put in about a half-quart of oil every 2k miles or so...

I haven't heard of anyone other than "first three months of 09s built" owners having this engine issue...clearly Subaru figured out the problem and fixed it.

  1. transmission working well, and still on original clutch. And that's with alot of rush-hour traffic and a couple dozen autorosses, as well as plenty of "spirited" driving and stoplight departures.

  2. Interior is still in great shape, though I do have a new mystery rattle inside the dash as of 55k miles (may be the receiver box for my afternarket audio setup though). The car has a few rattles, and they're more apparent in the winter, but nothign that can't be easily fixed with some weatherstripping or foam tape. And I drive on terrible roads and am NOT nice to my interior, lol.

  3. No electrical problems, no mechanical or drivetrain or brake problems.

  4. Paint sucks. I have plenty of chips, and I long ago gave up worrying about it. Parking in a garage at work, I have several dings in the doors, and scuffs on various parts of the car. And all the dings are on the part right where the flat part of the door sheetmetal takes a turn/fold....so it's pretty much impossible to cleanly fix. Thanks SUV drivers. And Subaru sheetmetal is just slightly less flexy than construction paper.

Granted I have some aftermarket stuff done (springs/bilsteins/sways/wheels/4pot calipers up front, bushings, etc) but nothign too extreme, and none of that stuff has had any problems either.

Anything else long-term you'd like to ask, fire away.

Feedyurhed
Feedyurhed Dork
1/10/12 7:23 p.m.
irish44j wrote: YES. My 09 wrx was my first brand-new car as well. Now about to turn 60k miles, and I've enjoyed almost all of them.

Which ones didn't you enjoy?

Ian F
Ian F SuperDork
1/10/12 7:55 p.m.
Feedyurhed wrote:
irish44j wrote: YES. My 09 wrx was my first brand-new car as well. Now about to turn 60k miles, and I've enjoyed almost all of them.
Which ones didn't you enjoy?

The drives to the gas stations?

Like many new cars that are on the "fun side", I love the idea of a WRX... and then I remember the 100+ miles I drive and the fact the monthly gas bill would be close to the car payment.

irish44j
irish44j Dork
1/10/12 9:12 p.m.
Feedyurhed wrote:
irish44j wrote: YES. My 09 wrx was my first brand-new car as well. Now about to turn 60k miles, and I've enjoyed almost all of them.
Which ones didn't you enjoy?

the three weeks it was sitting at the dealer getting the new engine/turbo, and I was stuck driving a base Forester automatic, which is possibly the WORST late-model vehicle I've ever had to drive.

irish44j
irish44j Dork
1/10/12 9:15 p.m.
Ian F wrote:
Feedyurhed wrote:
irish44j wrote: YES. My 09 wrx was my first brand-new car as well. Now about to turn 60k miles, and I've enjoyed almost all of them.
Which ones didn't you enjoy?
The drives to the gas stations? Like many new cars that are on the "fun side", I love the idea of a WRX... and then I remember the 100+ miles I drive and the fact the monthly gas bill would be close to the car payment.

true....but I see it as I can either have a car I enjoy commuting in, and pay alot in gas (Super) though my commute is only about 25 miles each way.....or I can buy a econo-box, Prius, or other fuel-thrift-mobile, save a thousand bucks a year in gas, and hate 2 hours of every single day.

I consider it worth it to do the former, lol.

If fuel costs were the main kicker...I have a DC metro subway stop right next to my work and the gov't gives us metro subsidies to ride. I could spend almost nothing getting to work. But again, that would be 2 hours of misery per day...

Teh E36 M3
Teh E36 M3 Dork
1/10/12 9:23 p.m.

Thanks for the impressions. I have a very similar feeling about the commute- I feel bad, as I can get the subsidy, hop the bus that stops right outside my front door, metro it in etc, but I get nauseous when I go underground. And it takes almost an hour to go from where I live (near east falls church) to my work (by Ft McNair). Driving the 10 miles takes all of 20-25 minutes, and the '02 WRX I drive is still a pleasure. Was hoping to hear that the later and new models remained so.

irish44j
irish44j Dork
1/10/12 9:31 p.m.
Teh E36 M3 wrote: Thanks for the impressions. I have a very similar feeling about the commute- I feel bad, as I can get the subsidy, hop the bus that stops right outside my front door, metro it in etc, but I get nauseous when I go underground. And it takes almost an hour to go from where I live (near east falls church) to my work (by Ft McNair). Driving the 10 miles takes all of 20-25 minutes, and the '02 WRX I drive is still a pleasure. Was hoping to hear that the later and new models remained so.

mutli-link rear suspension is helpful for the roads around here as well, lol.

And the extra 60 or so hp

Cotton
Cotton Dork
1/10/12 10:06 p.m.
irish44j wrote:
Ian F wrote:
Feedyurhed wrote:
irish44j wrote: YES. My 09 wrx was my first brand-new car as well. Now about to turn 60k miles, and I've enjoyed almost all of them.
Which ones didn't you enjoy?
The drives to the gas stations? Like many new cars that are on the "fun side", I love the idea of a WRX... and then I remember the 100+ miles I drive and the fact the monthly gas bill would be close to the car payment.
true....but I see it as I can either have a car I enjoy commuting in, and pay alot in gas (Super) though my commute is only about 25 miles each way.....or I can buy a econo-box, Prius, or other fuel-thrift-mobile, save a thousand bucks a year in gas, and hate 2 hours of every single day. I consider it worth it to do the former, lol.

This is exactly how I feel. I have a fairly long commute and want to enjoy it.

Drewsifer
Drewsifer Dork
1/11/12 1:10 p.m.

Congrats, very nicely done. And also, this thread is useless without pictures.

PHeller
PHeller Dork
1/11/12 3:20 p.m.

The 2011/2012 Impreza's have fairly respectable highway mpg...like 33mpg. The automatics have even better (close to 36mpg).

I'd love to see proof.

fuelmileage.gov doesn't have the 2012 WRX up yet, but I imagine the 2.5l turbo doesn't gear nearly what its 2.0l sister does.

Still, 36mpg out of a AWD car is impressive.

ransom
ransom Dork
1/11/12 3:30 p.m.

I think the sticker guesses EPA 16/25. Or was it 23? I'm not thinking about it.

As Drewsifer says, pictures are in order (even if it does look pretty much like the ones on the Subaru site...)

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