David S. Wallens said:From Holley's booth.
Mid engine?
dyintorace said:Tom Suddard said:New from Factory Five: Pair a modern F-150 cab and running gear with their kit, and you'll get a Raptor-beating trophy truck with 20 inches of suspension travel. Time to start browsing Co-Part for a wrecked pickup.
Tom - Any more information on this? I checked the FF website and they have zero about it. Seems super cool!
That's everything I know. Pricing is supposedly between $20 and $30k but TBA.
David S. Wallens said:New wheel mounting hardware from BBS:
This seems like a huge deal to me. A completely different approach to aftermarket wheel fitment. Instead of all the cost, engineering and validation hassles inherent in making the wheel fit a bunch of different cars with different bolt circles, hub rings, offsets. etc. - you make one wheel with one PCD per size and use a variety of adapters to fit a variety of cars. Engineering a bunch of (relatively) cheap adapters is a lot easier than doing it with the whole wheel. The aftermarket can provide adapters for applications not covered by BBS.
msterbeau said:David S. Wallens said:New wheel mounting hardware from BBS:
This seems like a huge deal to me. A completely different approach to aftermarket wheel fitment. Instead of all the cost, engineering and validation hassles inherent in making the wheel fit a bunch of different cars with different bolt circles, hub rings, offsets. etc. - you make one wheel with one PCD per size and use a variety of adapters to fit a variety of cars. Engineering a bunch of (relatively) cheap adapters is a lot easier than doing it with the whole wheel. The aftermarket can provide adapters for applications not covered by BBS.
The biggest downside is that the wheel would have to be designed for the highest offset, and people do love them some dish.
David S. Wallens said:From Holley's booth.
B is for Build on YouTube. It is a midengine former movie stunt car
Keith Tanner said:msterbeau said:David S. Wallens said:New wheel mounting hardware from BBS:
This seems like a huge deal to me. A completely different approach to aftermarket wheel fitment. Instead of all the cost, engineering and validation hassles inherent in making the wheel fit a bunch of different cars with different bolt circles, hub rings, offsets. etc. - you make one wheel with one PCD per size and use a variety of adapters to fit a variety of cars. Engineering a bunch of (relatively) cheap adapters is a lot easier than doing it with the whole wheel. The aftermarket can provide adapters for applications not covered by BBS.
The biggest downside is that the wheel would have to be designed for the highest offset, and people do love them some dish.
Yeah. I was about to say and because you'll likely need 25-30 mm adapters to change the bolt pattern, you're also compromising how wide you can go with the wheel. You can go a bit thinner if you have a car that uses wheel bolts instead of studs.
I suspect most people looking to run wide wheels would not find this is as a desirable alternative. I would include myself in that camp. For example, aside from losing the nice concave look of many wheels, I would have had to purchase 8.5" wide wheels instead of 9.5" wheels for my BRZ.
And small cars with wide, concave wheels just flat out look awesome.
In reply to z31maniac :
I don't think you'd be limited on your wheel width so much as the design of the face. The adapter mounting plane would have to be a long way outboard. One upside would be increased caliper clearance :)
In reply to Keith Tanner :
Good point. Although I think guys buying BBK's aren't worried about the cost of wheels. I have to admit, I almost bought one for the BRZ just for looks, not because I plan on tracking it.
But I didn't want to buy a flat bill cap and start vaping.
Its interesting to me how much an NA rotary swap can look like an EV swap. Rotary 240sx:
EV mustang:
Some good news from the Maxxis crew:
Maxxis’ new tire for electric vehicles, the VICTRA SPORT EV, has won a SEMA Best New Product Award in the Tire and Related Product category.
Specifically designed for EVs and available for purchase in the near future, the VICTRA SPORT EV is a summer ultra-high-performance tire which improves upon the OEM fitment. The engineering team focused on improving fuel economy and a longer tread life through a new-generation low rolling resistance EV compound. The VICTRA SPORT EV also offers a quieter, more comfortable ride with the help from our new Maxxis Silent technology.
And the group shot: John Wu, who has helped GRM with many articles, is second from the left.
Flynlow (FS) said:Its interesting to me how much an NA rotary swap can look like an EV swap. Rotary 240sx:
EV mustang:
The size of that extraction vent in the Mustang! It must look hilarious with the hood down.
The wire tuck crowd would love how clean that motor is.
Who says crate motors have to be electric? Ampere EV sells this complete kit with motor, battery and controls for $50k. The company is run by $2000 Challenge competitors which is awesome.
And spoiler alert--I ordered something from them for a future project.
What kind of specs is that putting out for $50k? That's a tough pill to swallow for a swap kit cost.
z31maniac said:In reply to Keith Tanner :
... But I didn't want to buy a flat bill cap and start vaping.
'Cause then you'll have to buy a Subaru and E36 M3! Oh, wait...
From Koni via Good-Win Racing:
In reply to David S. Wallens :
That's awesome. FSD's are my go-to whenever its time to replace shocks on street driven cars.
In reply to GaryC83 :
300hp and 42kwh, and the ability to DC fast charge via CCS. Pretty cool stuff.
As a comparison, a crate motor V8 and transmission is about a $20k purchase, and you'd still need a differential.
Electric stuff is still expensive, but we've come a long way in a few short years. Excited to see what's next.
In reply to David S. Wallens :
I've been talking to Koni about bringing those to the Miata for years. They finally got them in the catalog, didn't realize they were being waved around at SEMA.
In reply to Tom Suddard :
As a FWIW, the connect and cruise LT4/8speed combo from GM (650HP) runs about 25k, list. They have much, much cheaper options, obviously. And that's all backed with a gm factory warranty.
While I agree, it's exciting to see what's coming down the pipeline... I think you will see a LOT more folks go the less expensive route of piecing stuff together using the likes of AEM'S controller, used batteries, and maybe a new off the shelf conversion motor, at this time. That 50 grand is going to be a tough sell... I'm surrounded by the highest end of high end custom builds all day, everyday and while we aren't the intended market... its just a steep point of entry. Even from where I am sitting. If that were 30K for those specs - it would be a lot easier sale, in my opinion. I wish them well, obviously, but can't see there being a huge demand at that price point with those specs. It'll be cool to see what the next 5 years brings, that's for sure. And best of luck to them
It's neat there's folks out there doing it...
z31maniac said:Keith Tanner said:msterbeau said:David S. Wallens said:New wheel mounting hardware from BBS:
This seems like a huge deal to me. A completely different approach to aftermarket wheel fitment. Instead of all the cost, engineering and validation hassles inherent in making the wheel fit a bunch of different cars with different bolt circles, hub rings, offsets. etc. - you make one wheel with one PCD per size and use a variety of adapters to fit a variety of cars. Engineering a bunch of (relatively) cheap adapters is a lot easier than doing it with the whole wheel. The aftermarket can provide adapters for applications not covered by BBS.
The biggest downside is that the wheel would have to be designed for the highest offset, and people do love them some dish.
Yeah. I was about to say and because you'll likely need 25-30 mm adapters to change the bolt pattern, you're also compromising how wide you can go with the wheel. You can go a bit thinner if you have a car that uses wheel bolts instead of studs.
I suspect most people looking to run wide wheels would not find this is as a desirable alternative. I would include myself in that camp. For example, aside from losing the nice concave look of many wheels, I would have had to purchase 8.5" wide wheels instead of 9.5" wheels for my BRZ.
And small cars with wide, concave wheels just flat out look awesome.
Volk did this in the early 90s.
Check out the GRC, example below:
https://www.croooober.com/en/item/cparts/00000105/Rims/14275921/Rays-Volk-Racing-GRC-Four?fbclid=IwAR3Of7B4nW9_7-7l76hgNVzmVsNnMKyz5elT4eHunGzCvvgEwPqmSo_pFqc
Sorry I can't seem to link the specific image on mobile. Picture 10/10 shows the built in spacer.
The wheels themselves were only drilled in 4x100 and 5x100 to keep the center cap as small of a diameter as possible. They were then sold with a spacer and special low profile hardware to adapt to 4x114 or 5x114 or even just back to 4x100. The sticker on the barrel that lists all the sizing specs is all measurements that take into account the spacer thickness and the actual bolt pattern of the spacer. So you might find a wheel with a sticker that says 17x8 +35 5x114 but the actual wheel is 17x8 +50 5x100.
I've been hunting for a nice set on the Yahoo Japan actions for something period correct for my Prelude, and the vast majority of them are missing center caps, the spacers, the hardware, along with listing the wrong specs as they go off what the sticker says.
Run_Away said:z31maniac said:Keith Tanner said:msterbeau said:David S. Wallens said:New wheel mounting hardware from BBS:
This seems like a huge deal to me. A completely different approach to aftermarket wheel fitment. Instead of all the cost, engineering and validation hassles inherent in making the wheel fit a bunch of different cars with different bolt circles, hub rings, offsets. etc. - you make one wheel with one PCD per size and use a variety of adapters to fit a variety of cars. Engineering a bunch of (relatively) cheap adapters is a lot easier than doing it with the whole wheel. The aftermarket can provide adapters for applications not covered by BBS.
The biggest downside is that the wheel would have to be designed for the highest offset, and people do love them some dish.
Yeah. I was about to say and because you'll likely need 25-30 mm adapters to change the bolt pattern, you're also compromising how wide you can go with the wheel. You can go a bit thinner if you have a car that uses wheel bolts instead of studs.
I suspect most people looking to run wide wheels would not find this is as a desirable alternative. I would include myself in that camp. For example, aside from losing the nice concave look of many wheels, I would have had to purchase 8.5" wide wheels instead of 9.5" wheels for my BRZ.
And small cars with wide, concave wheels just flat out look awesome.
Volk did this in the early 90s.
Check out the GRC, example below:
https://www.croooober.com/en/item/cparts/00000105/Rims/14275921/Rays-Volk-Racing-GRC-Four?fbclid=IwAR3Of7B4nW9_7-7l76hgNVzmVsNnMKyz5elT4eHunGzCvvgEwPqmSo_pFqc
Sorry I can't seem to link the specific image on mobile. Picture 10/10 shows the built in spacer.
The wheels themselves were only drilled in 4x100 and 5x100 to keep the center cap as small of a diameter as possible. They were then sold with a spacer and special low profile hardware to adapt to 4x114 or 5x114 or even just back to 4x100. The sticker on the barrel that lists all the sizing specs is all measurements that take into account the spacer thickness and the actual bolt pattern of the spacer. So you might find a wheel with a sticker that says 17x8 +35 5x114 but the actual wheel is 17x8 +50 5x100.
I've been hunting for a nice set on the Yahoo Japan actions for something period correct for my Prelude, and the vast majority of them are missing center caps, the spacers, the hardware, along with listing the wrong specs as they go off what the sticker says.
My man! My favorite wheel and I've had 6 sets now
Tom Suddard said:In reply to GaryC83 :
300hp and 42kwh, and the ability to DC fast charge via CCS. Pretty cool stuff.
As a comparison, a crate motor V8 and transmission is about a $20k purchase, and you'd still need a differential.
Electric stuff is still expensive, but we've come a long way in a few short years. Excited to see what's next.
looks like they're using a tesla small front drive unit... and those are $10k by themselves, most times. So, the kit costs make "sense" to me.
looking at the pack specs... I wonder if they're not missing a market by offering ZE0 Leaf replacements using their existing 42kWh packs, while upgrading the on-board charger (maybe even utilizing their heater, which looks like it's 15% more efficient over the original Leaf heater)?
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