Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard Publisher
9/26/24 8:44 a.m.
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Our V8-powered Nissan 350Z has been too quiet lately. Sure, it’s still loud when it’s running–really, really loud–but after two back-to-back podiums in NASA’s TTU class, it hasn’t been running much.

[Surprise podium finish for our 350Z’s competition …

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Driven5
Driven5 PowerDork
9/26/24 11:40 a.m.

At 1G of cornering an engine runs as if rotated 45 degrees, which puts the outboard bank 'horizontal' for a 90 degree engine. At 1.2G the outboard bank is effectively 5 degrees inverted, and it keeps going from there. As I understand it for the LS, oil in the heads drains back through the lifter galleys, which would be at the effective 'top' for the outboard cylinder head cavity. If that's the case, the outboard bank would have to fill with oil before any could start returning to the sump. Which seems like a pretty obvious low oil pressure culprit. Which has long made me wonder, not only why aren't more people adding external gravity drains off the heads, but why is it not even part of the oil starvation conversation? It should be rather cheap and easy to do if it works. Am I misunderstanding something obvious about how the oil drains from the LS heads, is there a bigger obvious problem with the engine that means this doesn't make a difference, or is a simple solution actually being completely overlooked by an uncomfortably large portion of the community?

mhulbrock
mhulbrock New Reader
9/26/24 11:44 a.m.

Will you need to create a firewall around the new sump in the cabin? 

Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) MegaDork
9/26/24 1:59 p.m.

In reply to Driven5 :

Difficulty: As you go up the ladder in pushrod engine stress-testing, you like to run the valve cover area "flooded" so the valve springs stay immersed in oil.  They can get really, really hot.

So it may not be the outside head that has insufficient drainback, but the inside head that is starved of oil.

 

Either way its bad smiley

cholmes
cholmes New Reader
9/27/24 2:04 p.m.

In reply to Pete. (l33t FS) :

You make a good point Pete., but I think Driven5 might be on to something. Extra tall LS valve covers are commonly used to clear aftermarket rocker arms, but I wonder if a couple of drains high on the exhaust sides of those same covers would help with draining oil back to the pan, while retaining some oil to help cool the valve springs when driving straight? So maybe the drains could be positioned so that oil drains back through the lifter galleys when driving straight, and through the added drains when cornering.

Of course, routing the added drains straight down to the pan means oil would just flow upward through them during corners. So perhaps the drains could be routed to the opposite sides of the pan? I.E., driver's side drains to passenger side of the pan, and vice versa. Hose routing could be tricky, but I'll bet possible.

Just thinkin' out loud here...

 

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