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Woody
Woody MegaDork
12/2/14 5:38 p.m.

I can offer a little insight on this. In the past six months:

-My daughter totaled a car that I planned on keeping for a while longer. The insurance payout was more than I had expected.

-I bought a used Subaru with about 82k miles and automatic transmission.

-Three months later, I pulled the engine out of the Subaru, fixed the oil leaks, changed the timing belt and head gaskets and replaced the exhaust.

-I chased a bunch of Check Engine lights that were related to the transmission.

-I sold the Subaru for a three thousand dollar loss.

mr2peak wrote: Take the money and sell it to someone here who thinks the fix will be easy

I agree with MR2 speak. It's 12 years old and has both body damage and mechanical needs. Cash out and get away from this car.

ddavidv
ddavidv PowerDork
12/3/14 4:21 a.m.
mr2peak wrote: Take the money and sell it to someone here who thinks the fix will be easy

LOL and quoted for truth. A 1.8 Impreza isn't worth the cost of a car wash. Totally pointless for a 818 conversion.

So much bad advice in this thread I can't believe it. Woody and Klayfish are the voices of reason. Or you can listen to them and ignore Klayfish and my nearly 50 combined years of experience in these things. Just sayin.

Duke
Duke UltimaDork
12/3/14 7:47 a.m.

It's a 2.5 Impreza, and NO, an 818 project wouldn't cut it for my daughter's daily driver and occasional autocrosser.

Duke
Duke UltimaDork
12/3/14 7:54 a.m.
Klayfish wrote:
JohnRW1621 wrote: No tail light means not safe to drive. Expect a rental car from The Lizard today or tomorrow.
Yes, absolutely. The car is not legal to drive. You can and should ask for a rental if you need one.

I don't really need one, she's driving the 'van for now. Is it a better tactic to get the rental because we "deserve" it, or skip the rental and use that as a bargaining chip for more payout?

Woody
Woody MegaDork
12/3/14 7:58 a.m.

I don't think that skipping the rental is a bargaining chip. There is a daily allowance for a rental car. If you choose to decline the rental, I believe that you get that dollar amount times however many days that the claim is open.

Woody
Woody MegaDork
12/3/14 8:02 a.m.
ddavidv wrote: So much bad advice in this thread I can't believe it.

https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm/subaru-legacy-2005-vs-2010/88760/page1/

Klayfish
Klayfish UltraDork
12/3/14 8:19 a.m.
Duke wrote:
Klayfish wrote:
JohnRW1621 wrote: No tail light means not safe to drive. Expect a rental car from The Lizard today or tomorrow.
Yes, absolutely. The car is not legal to drive. You can and should ask for a rental if you need one.
I don't really need one, she's driving the 'van for now. Is it a better tactic to get the rental because we "deserve" it, or skip the rental and use that as a bargaining chip for more payout?

Neither, really. If you need a rental, get it. If don't want it, that's fine too. You can use the "I didn't get a rental" as a bargaining chip if you wish, and perhaps it'll help a little, but at the end of the day do what's best for your needs. Adjusters set up rentals all day, every day, so this won't be anything out of the norm for them.

dean1484
dean1484 UltimaDork
12/3/14 8:36 a.m.

Usually the cost of a rental is on your dime and you get reimbursed for it later. And then you have the whole issue of what they will pay for (a subcompact with out any insurance) versus what you need as an equal replacement with insurance. If you can avoid going down this rabbit hole it is usually a good thing.

JThw8
JThw8 PowerDork
12/3/14 8:41 a.m.
dean1484 wrote: Usually the cost of a rental is on your dime and you get reimbursed for it later. And then you have the whole issue of what they will pay for (a subcompact with out any insurance) versus what you need as an equal replacement with insurance. If you can avoid going down this rabbit hole it is usually a good thing.

You need a better insurance company. I've never paid for a rental out of pocket for an insurance claim rental. Yes you would have to pay the difference if their negotiated rate doesnt cover a car you want to drive but the rates (in my experience) have always fully covered the lowest tier car they offer so if you just need transportation let the insurance pay.

I flogged an insurance rental for over 5000 miles in 10 days this summer on the Saints 2 Sinners rally. Got home, my car was ready and I gave the rental back, no questions asked, no money out of my pocket.

Duke
Duke UltimaDork
12/3/14 8:54 a.m.
Klayfish wrote:
Duke wrote:
Klayfish wrote:
JohnRW1621 wrote: No tail light means not safe to drive. Expect a rental car from The Lizard today or tomorrow.
Yes, absolutely. The car is not legal to drive. You can and should ask for a rental if you need one.
I don't really need one, she's driving the 'van for now. Is it a better tactic to get the rental because we "deserve" it, or skip the rental and use that as a bargaining chip for more payout?
Neither, really. If you need a rental, get it. If don't want it, that's fine too. You can use the "I didn't get a rental" as a bargaining chip if you wish, and perhaps it'll help a little, but at the end of the day do what's best for your needs. Adjusters set up rentals all day, every day, so this won't be anything out of the norm for them.

I didn't really think a rental was out of the ordinary; more along the lines of "they are liable for that expense, so why should they get to keep that money" just because I happen to not exactly need the rental.

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy PowerDork
12/3/14 10:02 a.m.
mr2peak wrote: Take the money and sell it to someone here who thinks the fix will be easy

Couldn't have said it better myself. Theres a few suckers right on this forum.

Harvey
Harvey HalfDork
12/3/14 10:03 a.m.

I guess people have really bad experiences with insurance companies? I just let my insurance company work out what will happen with the other insurance company usually. I would take whatever money they offer you and go find something else and not waste time buying the corpse back, because whatever you sell it for will IMO not be worth the amount of time you spend on getting it back and finding a buyer. You can of course negotiate with them over the payout and sometimes if you have enough evidence to back it up they will give you some more dough.

Petrolburner
Petrolburner Reader
12/3/14 11:21 a.m.

Waaaaay to early to lawyer up. You're both insured, no great injustice has been done. Additionally, it's not your decision whether the car is totaled or not, that's up to the insurance company. If it's totaled, follow the advice of the wise ones in this thread and walk away. It's not a rare car, it doesn't have so much sentimental value to overwhelm the logical decision making, and you didn't just sink in a bunch of money on a new engine and trans that you feel obligated to get your money's worth out of it.

maj75
maj75 Reader
12/5/14 7:40 a.m.

Don't ever go through your insurance company for an accident that isn't your fault. Your policy restricts what and how much you can recover from them. You don't have a policy with the at fault driver's company. You are not contractually limited in what you can recover.

Insurance companies love to deal with each other like this. Your insurance company policy restrictions limits what you can get, limiting the at fault insurance company's exposure. Your policy may specify that pattern parts are acceptable, for example. Win-win for the insurance companies, you, not so much.

Adrian_Thompson
Adrian_Thompson PowerDork
12/5/14 8:08 a.m.

Why are people suggesting lawyering up? I don't get it? I'd wait for the check to arrive and go buy something new. What is the point of a Lawyer?

Last accident I had was about 4 years ago. Guy ran a red light doing about 60 in a 25mph school zone, I pulled out having not seen him and T bonned him as he came through the intersection so fast. He flipped and totalled his moms Blazer, I had about $8k of damage to the Volvo. He was on a suspended licence and driving the car without permission, inevitably he left in cuffs, but he did get a ride in a genuine P71! I called my insurance and they fixed the car with no impact on my premium and I didn't even have to pay my deductible. This is even easier, the other party appears to have been driving legaly with ins.

I had another accident about 8 years ago where my car was totaled. Accident was Tuesday afternoon and I had a check for far more than I expected by Friday lunch time. No issues.

What's the point of a lawyer? Seriously I dont' get it.

To the OP. Sorry for your daughter and the car, but it's time to go new(er) car shopping with the procedes.

Sonic
Sonic SuperDork
12/5/14 8:20 a.m.

Maj, not sure where that info is from. I've worked in this industry for 8 years in a variety of capacities, and most of what you are saying makes no sense.

Often it is much easier to just use your own coverage if the carrier for the responsible party is dragging their heels, and then your company will subrogate the responsible party carrier to get the money back, and can take them to inter company arbitration if there is a dispute.

As for repair parts, you have even less leverage over the other persons carrier as to what sort of parts they write in the estimate to use on your car. Of course, ultimate choice of parts is yours, but you may have to pay a difference if you demand all OEM parts on an older car.

Duke
Duke UltimaDork
12/5/14 8:23 a.m.

Yeah, nobody's arming their lawyer yet. I've got claims open with The Lizard (his insurance) and a placeholder claim open with State Farm (mine). The SF claim is just to get a paperwork trail started; I'm not pursuing it unless I have to. If I go entirely through SF, I'm on the hook for my deductible.

At the moment, we're waiting on the other driver to get in touch with The Lizard. They will not / cannot accept liability until they talk to him. They usually try for 10 days, and if they don't get a response, they escalate action against him. I talked to my agent at SF about this and she said "10 days, that's pretty good, we usually give you 2 weeks to respond." So we're in a holding pattern (it's only been 3 days since the claim), but if I don't hear something pretty soon, I am going to get a copy of the police report and email it to The Lizard to stir their stumps a little.

Thanks for the advice, everybody. DD#1 has already announced that if the car is totaled, she wants to make the switch from automatic to manual, and find a WRX wagon / 5-door to replace it.

NOHOME
NOHOME SuperDork
12/5/14 8:39 a.m.
Mr_Clutch42 wrote:
slantvaliant wrote: I'll just leave THIS here.
+1 for this idea.

Yeah..Amen brother! While I am not a candidate for this product, I have never understood the disdain some of you have for the looks. I like the concept and when you consider that I routinely assemble MGB restorations for 20K plus, this makes a LOT of sense for similar money.

Duke
Duke UltimaDork
12/5/14 8:46 a.m.

Not happening. It's entirely outside the operational parameters for this vehicle's mission. Leaving that aside, the 818 proponents seem to have missed the detail that the donor car is a base Impreza with NA 2.5 and an automatic trans.

slantvaliant
slantvaliant SuperDork
12/5/14 9:48 a.m.

While I posted the 818 pic and link for fun, I've been thinking ...

Duke wrote: It's entirely outside the operational parameters for this vehicle's mission.

I must have missed the list of operation parameters that exclude the 818. Daily driver and autocross? Lots of people drive less practical cars, trucks, and motorcycles every day. And I'm sure it will autocross.

Duke wrote: Leaving that aside, the 818 proponents seem to have missed the detail that the donor car is a base Impreza with NA 2.5 and an automatic trans.

So? The 818 takes an Impreza, not necessarily a WRX. It'd be, what, 155 HP pulling about 1800 lb in a low car built to handle. Since when can't that be fun, automatic or not?

The biggest reasons I see not to do it would be the cost, the amount of work involved, and the result of having an unusual car with the attendant service/maintenance implications. Oh, and some crashworthiness concerns. Valid considerations.

This is GRM, not Consumer Reports.

Duke
Duke UltimaDork
12/5/14 11:35 a.m.
slantvaliant wrote: While I posted the 818 pic and link for fun, I've been thinking ...
Duke wrote: It's entirely outside the operational parameters for this vehicle's mission.
I must have missed the list of operation parameters that exclude the 818. Daily driver and autocross? Lots of people drive less practical cars, trucks, and motorcycles every day. And I'm sure it will autocross. This is GRM, not Consumer Reports.

Lots of people ride donkeys to work during the monsoon season, too. That doesn't make it enjoyable, practical, or comfortable.

Other than "will get more than 1 person from Point A to Point B at highway speed while burning hydrocarbons", I really don't see how the operational parameters of an Impreza wagon and an 818 overlap all that much. It's not a null set, I will grant you. But it's an extremely narrow union.

This is real life in most of the United States, not GRM.

iceracer
iceracer PowerDork
12/5/14 1:02 p.m.

I had a case once with the other company, the other driver had admitted fault. There was a question about the radiator.

I requested an adjuster come an talk to me. No reply.

My insurance guy gave me the address of the state insurance board.

Didn't take long for an adjuster to arrive. Agreement reached.

The balky company was All State.

slantvaliant
slantvaliant SuperDork
12/5/14 1:03 p.m.
Duke wrote: This is real life in most of the United States, not *GRM.*

Sorry, I must have misread the thread title. I thought it said, "WWGRM do?"

Duke
Duke UltimaDork
12/5/14 2:20 p.m.

In reply to slantvaliant:

Point taken.

maj75
maj75 Reader
12/6/14 10:06 a.m.
Sonic wrote: Maj, not sure where that info is from. I've worked in this industry for 8 years in a variety of capacities, and most of what you are saying makes no sense. Often it is much easier to just use your own coverage if the carrier for the responsible party is dragging their heels, and then your company will subrogate the responsible party carrier to get the money back, and can take them to inter company arbitration if there is a dispute. As for repair parts, you have even less leverage over the other persons carrier as to what sort of parts they write in the estimate to use on your car. Of course, ultimate choice of parts is yours, but you may have to pay a difference if you demand all OEM parts on an older car.

I can tell you are an insurance guy...

Is it "easier?" Sure. That's what all insurance companies count on. If you can't afford to fix your car, you are at their mercy. You have to take what they offer so you can get your car back. You have to accept the crappy rental, if you can't pay for it on your own. That's why "dragging their feet" doesn't just happen with the at fault driver's insurance. It will happen with your insurance when you have a claim where you are at fault.

You can't get OEM parts from your own insurance company because almost every policy says the insurance company can use the parts it wants. You have no choice. In addition if you have a disagreement with your insurance company, you usually can't sue them. Most policies require you to go to arbitration, which is difficult to win.

As I said inter company arbitration is a win win for the insurance companies, because your insurance company has screwed you on OEM parts and the other company gets the benefit.

You have more leverage over the at fault insurance company. They can't limit you to pattern parts. They can't prevent you from going to court to sue their insured. They can't limit your rental expenses. They can't raise your rates. You fix the car the way you want. They pay or you can take them to court. That costs them money. Doesn't cost you if it is in small claims court.

The person who hit you has the legal obligation to restore you to the position you were in before the accident. Your insurance company does not. They write the policy to benefit themselves, not you. That's why you can't change policy provisions. They only protect the company.

I was in house attorney for insurance companies for years. I know exactly how the game is played. They love to take premiums, hate to pay. If there is any reason they can deny your claim, they will. The game is to pay you as little as they can. That's how the claims guys get evaluated. Not by how happy you are. Insurance companies are not in business to pay claims, they are in business to make money and returns for shareholders. Even the "member owned" companies are in it to make money. I know, I worked for one for years. Despite what the ads say, they are not your friend.

I've also been through this personally. Had a car that was rear ended, hard. Quarters buckled, trunk floor buckled, tail light panel destroyed, trunk destroyed. Car was 6 months old. Housekeeper was driving it. I was too lazy to deal with it, it was a Neon... My insurance (big three) got shoddy parts and had the work done at a shoddy shop. Body panel fit was terrible and the paint was dead in two years. My insurance refused to pay her a dime for her injuries. I've handled it the opposite way when I was rear ended in my GS460. It was less than a year old. I took it to the Lexus dealership where I bought it, had it fixed the way I wanted. Gave them the paid repair bill and my rental expense and it was paid.

I can honestly say that in 40 years of driving and at least 8 accidents where I was not at fault, I have never been satisfied when I used my insurance. Remember Easy does not equal Free, there is a cost for easy.

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