turboswede
turboswede UltimaDork
2/14/14 9:13 a.m.

http://www.katu.com/news/problemsolver/Driver-earns-155-license-suspensions--reovcations-245474781.html

PORTLAND, Ore. -- A Portland-area man has earned more driver’s license suspensions than anyone else in the state. The Oregon Department of Motor Vehicles said Mark A. Ciarlante has 155 current suspensions and revocations.

The KATU Problem Solvers tracked down Ciarlante in downtown Portland and asked about his record and why the state could not stop him from driving illegally.

"They could never stop me," said Ciarlante.

Ciarlante said his problems began in high school, when he had an accident and did not pay the fines. His license was first suspended in 1992, according to DMV documents. He said he kept driving because he was young and dumb.

"I haven't killed anybody. No drunk driving. No attempting to elude. No major stuff. Just for not paying tickets," said Ciarlante.

He said drugs played a role in his decisions to keep driving illegally for more than 20 years, despite earning 149 suspensions and six revocations during that time. He said he owes more than $100,000 in fines, and has had his car impounded multiple times.

"I lost 11 cars in 33 days, because they tow them when you get caught driving. I lost one car every three-and-a-half days," said Ciarlante.

Oregon DMV spokesperson David House said there is no limit for these kinds of suspensions, and the agency can only punish these kinds of rogue drivers with fines, more suspensions and revocations.

"Most traffic violations are simply violations," said House. "And only a few driving things are considered crimes and push things into the criminal level."

"If you accumulate only traffic violations at the violation level, the law is set up to provide fines and suspensions. That's the extent to which the courts and DMV can go," said House.

The lack of punishment frustrates some other drivers.

"We abide by the law and we're being good, then this person can't get away with nothing," said driver Pam Oja.

House said studies show a strong correlation between people who drive while suspended and dangerous driving behavior that can hurt other people.

"I'm okay with my tax money going to put him in jail because he potentially could be a threat to people's lives," said driver Lisa Kipp. "Otherwise, what reason does he have to stop doing that?"

"Do whatever, but do something to be responsible for his suspensions," said Oja, who suggested community service as a possible punishment.

Ciarlante told KATU he has decided to stop driving illegally. He said a severe beating last year put him in the hospital, and he made a decision to stop doing drugs and change his life.

"Don't drive, kids, without a license. Pay them tickets, I'm telling you. Don't let them build up," said Ciarlante. "You gotta learn the hard way. That's what I put myself through, the hard way."

Matt B
Matt B SuperDork
2/14/14 9:53 a.m.

I... I don't even know... wow.

yamaha
yamaha UltimaDork
2/14/14 10:14 a.m.

In reply to Matt B:

They throw those people in jail here.......but I suppose we're the backwards ones.

Wally
Wally MegaDork
2/14/14 10:22 a.m.

I have never seen more than a ticket here for driving without a license, insurance ect. I'm impressed Portland goes through the trouble of impounding cars. That rarely even happens here.

turboswede
turboswede UltimaDork
2/14/14 10:23 a.m.

Well, to be honest, our jails are full of potheads and tresspassers (because tree hugger) because they let all of the gang members out for good behavior ;)

turboswede
turboswede UltimaDork
2/14/14 10:26 a.m.
Wally wrote: I have never seen more than a ticket here for driving without a license, insurance ect. I'm impressed Portland goes through the trouble of impounding cars. That rarely even happens here.

Sigh, yeah I've had that happen to me three times in my life. Though once was due to a clerical error on the part of the DMV and their new computer system. The cop said it was the third person that day that found out their license was shown as suspended, when I went to the DMV to get it sorted out, they were as confused as I was. Had them print out a copy of my driving record (for $13) and took it to court to have it thrown out. Cost me half a day of work and lots of time on the bus to get my Rampage back.

yamaha
yamaha UltimaDork
2/14/14 11:15 a.m.

In reply to turboswede:

Well you shouldn't have gone on a rampage

turboswede
turboswede UltimaDork
2/14/14 11:24 a.m.

Well, I was tanked up on Northwest Grunge Rock and Teen Spirit. It couldn't be helped after my favorite flannel shrunk.....

spin_out
spin_out Reader
2/14/14 11:56 a.m.

Laws are for the law abiding. When my truck was hit in the side, totaling it, the at fault driver in the other car had No License, No Insurance, and it was not even her car. The cop gave her two tickets .. that she did not pay.

It really gets me that she ended up better off by not having insurance, etc. No license to take away, no insurance premiums to pay (or worry about rate increases), no need to pay the tickets. The car was a junker that she probably never recovered from the tow company lot. Just buy another junker and start driving again.

Before this happened I stupidly assumed I could go to jail for not having my license on my person if a cop pulled me over. Silly me.

cabbagecop
cabbagecop New Reader
2/14/14 11:57 a.m.

Habitual traffic offender is a 3rd degree felony here.

Zomby Woof
Zomby Woof PowerDork
2/14/14 12:24 p.m.

In reply to spin_out:

That's one of the reasons why I think our insurance system is backwards. IMO it makes more sense if you insure yourself instead of insuring for liability. That way insurance wouldn't have to be mandatory and you would never have to worry about the payout if you get hit by somebody with no insurance.

The insurance companies wouldn't be crazy about that idea, though.

kazoospec
kazoospec Dork
2/14/14 12:30 p.m.

This doesn't surprise me at all. I once had a guy in court who would have had to live to be over 200 years old before his mandatory suspensions expired. And I'm 99% sure he drove to court.

HappyAndy
HappyAndy SuperDork
2/14/14 12:57 p.m.
spin_out wrote: Laws are for the law abiding.

QFT!

Based on how high my insurance is, I would have to guess that 25% or so of the drivers/vehicles in my 'hood are unlicensed or uninsured.

bgkast
bgkast Dork
2/14/14 1:24 p.m.
turboswede wrote: Ciarlante told KATU he has decided to stop driving illegally. He said a severe beating last year put him in the hospital, and he made a decision to stop doing drugs and change his life.

Sounds like somebody beat some sense into him.

Rufledt
Rufledt SuperDork
2/14/14 5:17 p.m.

That's gotta be some kind of record. If not for most suspensions, then for stubbornness or something...

Swank Force One
Swank Force One MegaDork
2/14/14 5:22 p.m.
spin_out wrote: Laws are for the law abiding. When my truck was hit in the side, totaling it, the at fault driver in the other car had No License, No Insurance, and it was not even her car. The cop gave her two tickets .. that she did not pay. It really gets me that she ended up better off by not having insurance, etc. No license to take away, no insurance premiums to pay (or worry about rate increases), no need to pay the tickets. The car was a junker that she probably never recovered from the tow company lot. Just buy another junker and start driving again. Before this happened I stupidly assumed I could go to jail for not having my license on my person if a cop pulled me over. Silly me.

I hear stories like this all the time and it really makes me feel E36 M3ty.

I've gotten more total bullE36 M3 tickets in my life than what she received. And i paid them anyways.

And i don't even want to know how much i've paid in insurance over the last decade. I've only made one claim, ever.

mad_machine
mad_machine MegaDork
2/14/14 11:05 p.m.
HappyAndy wrote:
spin_out wrote: Laws are for the law abiding.
QFT! Based on how high my insurance is, I would have to guess that 25% or so of the drivers/vehicles in my 'hood are unlicensed or uninsured.

supposedly insurance in NJ is as high as it is due to all the uninsured

ronholm
ronholm HalfDork
2/14/14 11:32 p.m.
mad_machine wrote:
HappyAndy wrote:
spin_out wrote: Laws are for the law abiding.
QFT! Based on how high my insurance is, I would have to guess that 25% or so of the drivers/vehicles in my 'hood are unlicensed or uninsured.
supposedly insurance in NJ is as high as it is due to all the uninsured

If only we could somehow base our healthcare system on this model.

chknhwk
chknhwk HalfDork
2/16/14 12:50 p.m.

The first thing I thought was 'when will these cars go up for auction?'

No, I lie. The first thing I thought was 'sounds like something I'd do.'

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