SVreX
MegaDork
9/28/14 8:15 a.m.
No.
I have a 99 F-250, but I don't think they were giving them ratings at that time. For a long time it was passenger vehicles only.
Also, you should know there are 2 different '99 F-250's. The standard F-250, and the F-250 HD. Completely different vehicles. They don't even have the same frame.
In before the herp derps tell you you they don't worry about crash test ratings b/c they never crash.
But seriously, I don't think NHTSA or IIHS was doing crash tests on 3/4 or 1-ton trucks back then. I think your best bet is going to be to make inferences from the 1/2-ton ratings.
SVreX
MegaDork
9/28/14 8:19 a.m.
Yeah, except the 1/2 ton rating would be an entirely different chassis than the F-250 HD. There's no way they have similar ratings (or capabilities).
SVreX
MegaDork
9/28/14 8:42 a.m.
I'll make a couple of completely uneducated opinions (which I am pretty good at):
My truck is a '99 F-250 HD extended cab (not crew) diesel. Safety particulars:
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It has a single driver side airbag, but none on the passenger side. No curtain wall bags, etc.
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It has no "B" pillar, so there is a gaping hole in the side when the doors are open.
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Front seat belts are 3 point, tied to the roof (which I don't trust). Rears are tied to the C-pillar (Which is good). Center seats are lap belt only both front and rear.
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It was one of the first vehicles designed with rear seat access without a "B" pillar, and was not regulated, so I would not trust it's engineering in this respect.
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It has no side impact rails.
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There are no head rests in the rear, or the front center.
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It has a lot of steel in some very important places.
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I'm pretty sure the drivetrain would submarine in the event of a front impact.
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It sits much higher than most vehicles.
So, I think...
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If I was in a head-on, the beef of the frame and drivetrain plus the height would absorb an enormous impact. I'm pretty sure I would survive, but my passenger might not with no airbag. My rear passengers would be OK, but not in the middle. Whoever I hit wouldn't have a chance.
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If I was in a 1/4 offset head-on, no one would survive.
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If I was hit in the rear, the guy who hit me is not going to survive. I might not even know what happened until I got to the Waffle House.
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If I was Tee-boned in the bed, the truck would be totalled, and there is a good chance I would be thrown from the vehicle. Passengers probably OK.
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If I was Tee-boned in the cab, they would drive right through me, unless they submarine under the floorboards.
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If I was in a roll-over, I don't think the roof would support the vehicle.
I'm gonna drive a little slower today.
Interesting, it occurs to me as well that, when Ford engineers were aware that the 3/4 and 1-ton truck would not be crash tested, they might have placed less priority on crashworthiness relative to what they would have on the F-150, which they knew would be crash tested by both the government and the Insurance Institute.
Keep in mind as well that many, maybe most, fatal accidents involve only one vehicle (source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/13/AR2009101301973.html) Of course, no one on a car forum would ever get involved in a single-vehicle accident.
In reply to SVreX:
Our fleet at work is almost all extended cab F250 Super Duties, and I've seen an early 00's one rolled over on its roof gently. It wasn't pretty.
SVreX
MegaDork
9/28/14 12:02 p.m.
In reply to turbojunker:
Yep.
It's a really huge piece of sheet metal, with long unsupported expanses and little support structure.
The suicide door/ no "B" pillar was a terrific idea (which has grown into a standard on most trucks), but it wasn't well implemented during those earlier models.
Note, they knew it was a design problem, as evidenced that the first versions of extended cabs did not have operable rear doors at all (for over 20 years), and the next versions had 3 doors (which kept some of the structure intact by having 1 side with a "B" pillar).
More modern versions have a completely different beefier latch mechanism which ties the doors well into both the roof and floor, interlocking side impact bars, and integrated roof "hoop" structure. Additionally, they now have to pass crash testing.
yamaha
UltimaDork
9/28/14 10:38 p.m.
Hmm, our '99 F-250 SD has passenger side airbag.....
Also, what year did they start crash testing them, if before 2007, look at those results. Still the same truck at that point.
Don't hit anything solid, roll it, get hit in the side with something with a bumper taller than the frame, or get hit by anything more than half its weight and you'll be fine. Mass counts for a lot.
Look for Ford Excursion test data, might give you some results.
ddavidv
PowerDork
9/29/14 5:53 a.m.
At least the cabs on the SD's don't rot out at the appalling rate of the 'regular' F150s. Those things are total garbage, this said by a Ford guy.