Snake Plissken? I thought he was dead..... 
Snake Plissken? I thought he was dead.....
pres589 wrote: In reply to Dr. Hess: If you read the test you quoted, is there any mention of her having a gun? I don't see any. I see redacted swearing and someone trying to put forth this idea that others carrying guns will have no impact on anyone but the person carrying. Which is pretty silly if you think about it.
Sorry, I thought you paid attention to current events. Maybe just not the ones that go against your philosophy? Are you the new scapes-it-over? Or the old one? She and her husband were traveling cross country. Stayed at a Motel 6 in Albuquerque, I think. Google it up. Hubby, a former CNN reporter, goes outside a minute, comes back in and a man follows him in the door with a gun to rob them. She walks out of the bathroom naked and sees him. A gun fight starts. The bad guy won't be robbing any more former CNN reporters/anchors. Hubby is still in the hospital, but improving. Apparently the commie press thinks they should have been killed instead of the bad guy, and she just had enough of the slanted BS.
I don't know about you guys, but no matter how easy it is to go out and buy a gun, I am not inclined to start shooting people. The linked story is a little hard to believe because it is so full of stupidity that it makes me wonder how such people remember to breath or get out of bed in the morning. The problem isn't access to guns, the problem is a population that has little to no regard for human lives.
In reply to Dr. Hess:
It looks like this was picked up mostly by Fox, Breitbart, and the Daily Mail? I dunno, I've been watching other political things going on, which in KS is pretty awful. I don't really pay attention to Fox or Breitbart on a daily basis.
In reply to pres589:
Washington Post picked it up as well iirc. Well, at least before everyone got distracted.
In reply to yamaha:
Honestly my news for the last few days has been the gov. in my state issuing a bizarre religious exemption from law's executive order, the state possibly getting sued by various courts for not funding schools, and localized flash flooding from torrential rains we had earlier this week. Some former CNN news personality (see what I did there?) getting into a gun fight in a hotel didn't really make it onto my radar.
In reply to pres589:
Nothing whatsoever unusual by any of that, its Kansas.....
The New York Times was running the story. I can see how you would have missed it because it was only in right wing publications.
Hey, anyone notice that the illegal immigrant that murdered that woman in gun-free San Francisco used a gun STOLEN from a U.S. Federal agent? Maybe we should stop arming the federal government to get guns off the streets?
Dr. Hess wrote: She and her husband were traveling cross country. Stayed at a Motel 6 in Albuquerque, I think. Google it up. Hubby, a former CNN reporter, goes outside a minute, comes back in and a man follows him in the door with a gun to rob them. She walks out of the bathroom naked and sees him. A gun fight starts.
The stories I read said she was the one who walked outside and was accosted, and her husband was the one who came out of the shower and ultimately shot the assailant.
In any case, I'm wondering what they were doing staying at a Motel 6.
Or go old west style and require every person of sound mind to carry openly. After all an armed society is a polite society.
Safest flight I ever took was heading to the Storm. A 747 full of heavily armed troopers is never getting highjacked.
stuart in mn wrote: In any case, I'm wondering what they were doing staying at a Motel 6.
Um... if I were to hazard a guess... showering and sleeping. Possibly berkeleying. Maybe drinking a little. You know... staying in a hotel.
Are you suggesting a conspiracy of some sort?
Maybe there's another reason they leave the light on.
Maybe it was another one of those "baited field" incidents? You know, like that one in Texas where they had the Mohammed drawing contest while 50 cops stand around with weapons drawn waiting for some dumb berkeley to show up trying to shoot the place up? Could have been the same thing here: Ex special forces vet and a naked female TV personality in a Motel 6, oooh- we're getting robbed.
I'm trying to figure out what some of you are really mad about.
Are you mad because nine people died?
Are you mad because other people decided that those nine people were deserving of being murdered?
Are you mad because of the method that was used to commit those murders?
The problem in my mind is the mentality of the person who decided to murder another person. Wether they used a gun, knife or choked the other person to death. But it happens every day.
If your waging a war against guns you have chosen the wrong fight IMO. People commit murder every single day without them.
Nick_Comstock wrote: I'm trying to figure out what some of you are really mad about. Are you mad because nine people died? Are you mad because other people decided that those nine people were deserving of being murdered? Are you mad because of the method that was used to commit those murders? The problem in my mind is the mentality of the person who decided to murder another person. Wether they used a gun, knife or choked the other person to death. But it happens every day. If your waging a war against guns you have chosen the wrong fight IMO. People commit murder every single day without them.
I'm not mad at all. Out of 56 people shot - 9 died. That means even if I am shot in Chicago I've got an 84% chance of surviving it. That is better than my chances of surviving almost all types of cancer I might contract except 2. That seems pretty uplifting, really.
Datsun1500 wrote: Article says they picked Motel6 because it allows pets.
Ok, that makes sense. My initial thought was two national reporters would probably stay at nicer places when taking a trip. Nothing against Motel 6, but the times I've stayed in them they were often in a sketchy part of town.
In reply to Nick_Comstock:
For some reason I read your post in this guys voice: 
In reply to Nick_Comstock:
I'm upset that nothing seems to change.
In reply to Giant Purple Snorklewacker:
I love your "Glass half full" perspective on things. I'm also a bit curious how many of those survivors are due to the gunmen (gunpeople?) being poor shots and how many are alive due to advances made in treating combat injuries and the number of EMTs and ER docs with combat experience. It could be said that a lot of inner city people owe their survival to GW Bush.
pres589 wrote: In reply to Nick_Comstock: I'm upset that nothing seems to change.
I can agree with that. Fixing the problem would be hard and uncomfortable and we live in a world of telling people what they want to hear in 30 secs to get elected and then distracting them with make believe crisis's over flags and weddings and such.
We ran all the jobs out of the country, paid families to be fatherless and then got made when it became a way of life. There is no easy way to fix it so we blame the easy targets we cant change like guns and welfare and foreigners and rich people.
pres589 wrote: In reply to Nick_Comstock: I'm upset that nothing seems to change.
You could always volunteer to go door to door asking the gang bangers to stop their gang wars.....
GPS, gang bangers are historically pretty terrible shots.....its why they usually hit innocents instead of their targets.
Wally wrote:pres589 wrote: In reply to Nick_Comstock: I'm upset that nothing seems to change.I can agree with that. Fixing the problem would be hard and uncomfortable and we live in a world of telling people what they want to hear in 30 secs to get elected and then distracting them with make believe crisis's over flags and weddings and such. We ran all the jobs out of the country, paid families to be fatherless and then got made when it became a way of life. There is no easy way to fix it so we blame the easy targets we cant change like guns and welfare and foreigners and rich people.
QFTMBT
pres589 wrote: In reply to Nick_Comstock: I'm upset that nothing seems to change.
I'm going to make the assumption that what you would like to see changed is the culture of violence. I agree we need to get serious about fixing that. I honestly wouldn't even know where to start. I'll tell you a little story of something that happened in the little town of Knoxville, TN while I was living there.
My wife's sister had a very close group of friends. She had an apartment close to downtown Knoxville. One night the group was going to meet up at her apartment prior to going out. One of her closest friends, one she had grown up with, and her boyfriend got there first. Unfortunately, they were kidnapped outside of my sister in laws apartment. They were taken to an abandoned house not far away and were raped, beaten and tortured repeatedly. Eventually, he was taken out to a set of railroad tracks, shot and set on fire. She had bleach poured down her throat, placed in a garbage can and was left to suffocate and bleed out in a trash can.
My sister in law couldn't handle the situation and moved to Florida. She has moved on with life, but I know this haunts her every single day of her life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom
So what is it that causes people to do these things? As sad as it is, and I can't even begin to understand how terrible it is for the families. It's just one story of many that happens day after day, not only in this country, but all over the world. It would not surprise me if any of you that lived outside of east TN even heard about this. Should something like this get more press than nine people being killed over the course of a weekend in gangland? I don't know.
Is this more tragic than an innocent bystander getting killed in a gangland shooting in Chicago? It's hard to say. Or 23 people getting blown up in a terrorist attack in the middle east? I don't know. Or drug lords killing a village of people in south America. Again, I don't know.
But I do know that as much as people want it to be, this is not a civilized world. It never has been. You can try to isolate yourself from the fact the violence and death is always happening everywhere around the world, every day. But, by doing so you are just burying your head in the sand.
In reply to Nick_Comstock: I did hear about that horror. And you are exactly right, it isn't a civilized world and there are real live monsters out there.
I have no problem being a sheep-dog. I wouldn't ask the sheep to defend themselves. But pulling my teeth won't affect the teeth of the wolves.
In reply to Nick_Comstock:
I can't explain what happened to your sister'site friends. That's a lot of anger and hate to do something like that. As for the urban violence issue I think if we still had blue collar jobs much of the problem would take care of itself. In many places we are several generations into people with no ambition because there is little to aspire to.
I only have anecdotal evidence I have observed,no statistics but here in NY when crime was dropping in the 90's I think after the initial drop from improved policing the continued drop in crime came about because businesses were opening and because they had fight for workers they paid good money. Once people were making money the gangbusters lifestyle lost some appeal. Unfortunately many of these people fled to the suburbs and with the economy tanking there aren't jobs for the people taking their place.
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