In reply to RoadRaceDart :
If this chart is accurate, apparently the new Xbox has a 500 GB hard drive.
http://m.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/PS4_vs._Xbox_One_Comparison_Chart
In reply to RoadRaceDart :
If this chart is accurate, apparently the new Xbox has a 500 GB hard drive.
http://m.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/PS4_vs._Xbox_One_Comparison_Chart
Well, that would be nice! Thanks Racer1ab 
I'm saying that you don't have to have internet connection to play the game. You can play single player, which is EXACTLY how it happens now. If you don't have internet connection for your 360, you can't play in a lobby with your friends. You have to play single player. So all this talk of "You have to have internet connection, or you can't play" is wrong. That's my point.
In reply to RoadRaceDart :
Not a problem, sir!
I'm curious how much the next-gen systems will be when they're released. I've probably got another year or two on my current stuff before I will upgrade.
The only reason I got a 360 so early was a local mustang forum guy was going through a messy divorce and wanted cash NOW.
Racer1ab wrote: wanted cash NOW.
Oh, and that Seven gif was awesome... and I am a XBox fan. 
Here's a good article that dispels a lot of rumors
http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-used-games/
racerfink wrote: I'm saying that you don't have to have internet connection to play the game. You can play single player, which is EXACTLY how it happens now. If you don't have internet connection for your 360, you can't play in a lobby with your friends. You have to play single player. So all this talk of "You have to have internet connection, or you can't play" is wrong. That's my point.
No one has said that. There's been a lot of talk saying that:
A) The games need to be activated online at least once.
B) The system cannot be offline indefinitely after installing ala Steam.
No you do not NEED to be online to play single player but if the system is offline for whatever arbitrary number of hours Microsoft specifies it'll have to connect to allow you to play. There's a very distinct and very important difference there, which the Engadget article does nothing to clear up because it only states "Games will work offline without an issue and game saves will sync transparently when you reconnect, Penello told us. "
The off system processing is still bullE36 M3 IMO and like I stated earlier it's just another form of DRM which is why I don't "own" SimCity or Diablo III. Server goes down or goes dark and that's it.
I just blame everything bad that happens in the video game industry on EA. It's accurate enough for me.
The0retical wrote: No one has said that. There's been a lot of talk saying that: A) The games need to be activated online at least once. B) The system cannot be offline indefinitely after installing ala Steam. No you do not NEED to be online to play single player but if the system is offline for whatever arbitrary number of hours Microsoft specifies it'll have to connect to allow you to play.
This is a major issue for a very small number of users. I have an xbox 360 that I bought just to use forza 4.......I don't care about the "game" aspects, and I have NEVER had it online. I bought the setup for one reason only: to familiarize myself with my local track (Sebring) so that if/when I can do a track day, I'll already be familiar with the layout.
That's not a typical use for the console, so I am not surprised that they're not going to be accommodating me. It doesn't change the fact that I won't have any use for their new product.
In reply to JoeyM:
Honestly I'm connected to the internet a lot of the time with my console even when I tote it around the country when I'm working within the US, it becomes more of an issue when I'm overseas. I know that it's a very small subset of users that would be affected by having a phone home within x number of hours mechanism but I'm opposed to it on principle much like privacy erosion by the government (not floundering just saying.)
The moment consumers allow it to happen it'll never go away, it'll become more intrusive, and it'll become less consumer friendly until the point where you no longer own the product you're simply forking over thousands of dollars to rent something, use it the way the manufacturer specifies, and will no longer be of use when the manufacturer specifies.
With services like the now defunct OnLive that's fine because you know you're subscribing to the service and renting or playing the games for that fee. Forking over the kind of money I've spent on the Xbox 360 then having no control over when I choose to get rid of it, store it, or when I choose to upgrade is a wholly different matter. Yes this probably seems obsessive but I don't like feeling like I'm being milked for every dollar I can provide. You have to at least let me feel like I'm making the decision.
No one is probably reading this since I sound like a lunatic but there it is anyway.
Grizz: I hope EA burns with this using college players likenesses is not considered free speech ruling today because they represent all that is wrong with the industry today.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/former-rutgers-qb-pursue-lawsuit-against-ea-sports-171147175.html
That all your game saves are in the cloud is a nice step forward, but what if you're offline? Can you still access those game saves? Can you still play your games? Yes, you can. Games will work offline without an issue and game saves will sync transparently when you reconnect, Penello told us. However, some games that make use of Microsoft's online services may not be playable offline. That will be up to developers.
I dunno. The kid is talking about squeezing this into his college loan budget, but methinks he'd be better off building/buying a gamer PC and iRacing instead of Xbox 720 and Forza 5.
racerfink wrote: Here's a good article that dispels a lot of rumors http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-used-games/
I can see where the "used game rumors" are spawning from. I understand whats going on now to an extent and can see what exactly their trying to prevent. Should make stolen games useless as well...
It seems to me like, microsoft initially announced a bunch of information about how used games will work and what the required level of connection will be for the nextbox, and then after a huge backlash from every where, they are rethinking some of the decisions they announced on launch day. If you read anything from tuesday it seems like you wont be able to play used games without a fee and while it isnt required all the time, it is required at least some of the time for various things.
If you read anything from yesterday though it seems like microsoft is trying to change what they are saying to mitigate some of the damage.
In response to the EA complaints:
I completely agree, and I also hate EA for almost completely abandoning the Wii U, for a while they said they werent planning on releasing any more games for it, which would mean no football for the Wii U as EA holds exclusive rights to produce football games, but within the past day they have said they are doing a few games just not nearly as many and not putting in the effort they will be for the other systems. I am especially sad when it comes to sports games. I realize the wii u is nowhere near as powerful as the other two new systems but i also think, if they put some time into developing the interface they could add truely awesome features to their games, especially in the sports world. Adding a feature to madden where if you didnt like the plays in the book you could draw up your own on the fly, or a smoother interface for swapping players and changing formations in fifa without going through 5 billion menus, or being able to quickly adjust and swap lines in the NHL games. i feel like the reason the wii u, the system that used to have the worst name in gaming but i think that title now goes to the xbox one, is doing so bad is because game companies are too lazy to develop clever uses for the game pad and instead focus all their efforts on modern brofare 73.
I apologize for the rant, it is just that video games are probably my favorite hobby, even ahead of cars, and it makes me angry when video game companies do stupid things.
FlyinMikeyJ wrote: I dunno. The kid is talking about squeezing this into his college loan budget, but methinks he'd be better off building/buying a gamer PC and iRacing instead of Xbox 720 and Forza 5.
But...but...you have to pay for a membership to play iRacing! A monthly fee to access ONE game? OMG, those evil bastards!
Not to mention having to buy DLC in the forms of racetracks and cars, cause you only get a couple of tracks and a couple of cars to start out.
In reply to racerfink:
Let's try this with past examples since apparently I'm not communicating too well.
Ubi required that Assassins Creed 2 always have an internet connection. If the connection failed the game exited. That's not acceptable. Although Ubisoft caved to the pressure it's the reason I do not own any new Assassins Creed games.
Spore, while it initially required always to have an active internet connection cowed to the pressure and reduced the mechanism to a "phone home" at specific intervals. That's also not acceptable.
While Spore was tolerant of the connection being dropped requires an internet connection of some sort at some point thus it is not allowed to be offline indefinitely. Microsoft is proposing something similar. They backed off the plans when the system was called Durango to require the Assassins Creed 2 type of internet connection but left in its place a Spore type check in system.
So no it does not require an always on internet connection, but it does require an internet connection at specified intervals according to the Q&A with Kotaku. I've explained, six posts above actually, why I don't like this. That's about all I can do, well besides link this anyway:
Edit: Removed highly inflammatory commentary that was here previously.
Is your XBox or computer not plugged into the internet all the time anyways? I don't get what the difference is...
My problem with the phone home mechanism revolves mostly around having to rely on someone else for it to work.
If you have a problem like the Playstation network hack or a denial of service attack on the now centralized servers you have a brick in your living room.
If the servers go dark because the next generation of system is coming out it's now a brick that I can't play the hundreds of dollars worth of games I purchased and they will possibly never remaster.
My work factors into it a bit. Hooking up to download patches or play multiplayer online is strictly forbidden or flatly impossible with some places I go to due to bandwidth limitations. So I would be down at least one source of entertainment.
I'm probably in the minority work wise but the PS network and DoS attacks are very real things. I'd rather those possibilities not exist at all so I can retain control over my devices.
racerfink wrote: Is your XBox or computer not plugged into the internet all the time anyways? I don't get what the difference is...
I'll blog the directions for one of these. 
I will NOT be buying another Xbox. I sold my Xbox a while ago when I needed money and the kids were little. Now we have a Wii for them and I really don't game that much. But my 8 year old Autistic kid has really gotten into to them. Anything not Thomas the Tank Engine is a plus, and the games he likes are age appropriate so we are encouraging it. I know very soon we will need to graduate to a more adult system. Microsoft's limited used decision just helped me make my decision on which system I will purchase. Given I buy 90% used games, and from a local little guy (let's face it most gamestops just suck,) this just kills it for me.
Ive kind of ignored all the launch stuff completely, since I don't plan on buying xbox one at launch, but that article makes me not want to buy it at all.
I buy maybe one new game a year if that, the rest are used. You have to sell it to or buy it from one of your friends? The berkeley is that!? No, I go to amazon to buy my used games.
At least there are a lot of used games I still want to play on my 360.
I love how they make that stuff sound like a feature everyone will use.
Has anyone here tried to cancel an XBox live subscription? I have read it can be rediculously (as in borderline illegal) difficult to do.
In reply to aircooled:
It is actually quite easy.......you call up microsoft support(billing dept) and tell them to shove it up their ass. Then again, I have actually been reimbursed for my membership during a period when I was banned from XBL. So I must have a knack for it.
The hard thing is turning off the "Autopay/update" E36 M3, as they don't tell you how in any manual.
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