Anyone ever not given a 2 week notice?

Old job starting before the new year will not happen.

last time I gave notice.. I got marched to the door.

I've only left once without two (or more) weeks notice. That time I gave a week and a few days notice. It worked out ok and there were no hard feelings either way.

The most recent place I left, I gave them almost a month's notice and they spent the next two weeks trying to entice me to stay. In that particular case, there was no chance of getting walked out based on workload and available manpower. They told me to give them a call if I ever wanted to come back and work for them, so it was a good ending.

After reading all the posts here about getting shown the door immediately and being consider toxic to the workplace, I will reconsider my resignation strategy if I ever have to do it again. It's not something I've seen done and a place that treats their employees like that is a place I would not want to be anyway.

In reply to T.J.:

My experiences of showing or being shown the door has all been as middle management for Fortune 500 companies.
Coca-Cola, Sprint, AT&T.

In an interesting twist, the person who trained me and went to a new position (different division of the company) has put in her resignation, meaning that I am now realistically the only person in the entire company that can train on this.

Still not changing the date that I'm handing it in though.

tb wrote: In reply to KyAllroad: Long story short: I bounced around a bit in and out of trained for profession and had a few businesses of my own. Wife is a workaholic with a staggering income. We worked our asses off, made some hard choices that worked out well for us and count our blessings everyday. Relevent point: no one really has any idea where they will be in just a few years... Don't sweat the little details too much.

This sounds frighteningly familiar. I have a full time.job, but I sleep.for a living. Wife makes all the cake. We're ninjas with money.

Clearly not too many employers responding. As the owner of a small business I can say I treat my employees as well as I possibly can because With them I have no company. When someone leaves without giving me time to find and train a replacement it costs me time and money. The worst was the guy who asked for and received an extra week off at Christmas. It wasn't for and r, it was so he could start a new job. The first I heard was two days after we started in January when I got a call from his buddy saying he knew I was looking for someone and could he have the job.

You should man up and give your employer time to replace you.

bearmtnmartin wrote: Clearly not too many employers responding. As the owner of a small business I can say I treat my employees as well as I possibly can because With them I have no company. When someone leaves without giving me time to find and train a replacement it costs me time and money. The worst was the guy who asked for and received an extra week off at Christmas. It wasn't for and r, it was so he could start a new job. The first I heard was two days after we started in January when I got a call from his buddy saying he knew I was looking for someone and could he have the job. You should man up and give your employer time to replace you.

With all due respect, these are completely different situations. The company I'm coming from employs 60k people nationwide, and 15k in my town alone. I really am just a number. Someone who would give an extra week at Christmas probably wouldn't advance the notice date to save $1500.

yes.. it all depends on the job. While I work for a rather large company, my department is -very- small and of a very specific skill set. I would definitely give notice.

My boss (even if he can be quite the ass) will continue to employ you as an "on call" employee if you leave under good terms.. and you go right to the top of his list, so you become the first person he picks up the phone to when work comes up

Look at it this way; If they hired you and are paying you what must be a fair chunk of change to be there every day, they must feel you add value to the business. They may do a poor job of showing that and you should point that out to them if it is part of the reason you are leaving. So if they have 100 employees your leaving may have less impact than if they have 10, but you have to think it has an impact or why are you there at all?

bearmtnmartin wrote: Look at it this way; If they hired you and are paying you what must be a fair chunk of change to be there every day, they must feel you add value to the business. They may do a poor job of showing that and you should point that out to them if it is part of the reason you are leaving. So if they have 100 employees your leaving may have less impact than if they have 10, but you have to think it has an impact or why are you there at all?

I don't disagree with you. But I still have to look out for myself first. I cannot guarantee they will not tell me to leave prior to the 1st, which would mean I'm out $1,500. An example of this would be the person in my role prior to me. She left the department right as the end of year evaluations determining the bonus and salary were being calibrated. She told me that her raise and bonus were less than the minimum (obviously were bumped up to the minimum). Prior to that, she had always done very well. While we can't prove it, we believe they said "Oh, she's gone. We're not worried about compensating her", even though she is still with the company. Why would they look out for me? They like me even less than her.

What about giving them a notice of January 16th today, and then on the 2nd shortening it to the 9th? Is that better? I'd say it isn't because it is blatant dishonesty, but that would get me almost as much as the $1450 if they decide to shorten my notice to the 31st.

^Just wait til next year and don't fret about it.

I guess I just don't understand companies that do not value their employees. They do all the work and I only have to watch one of my guys knee deep in mud slaving away to be reminded that I better be nice to him or it will be me down there.

bearmtnmartin wrote: I guess I just don't understand companies that do not value their employees. They do all the work and I only have to watch one of my guys knee deep in mud slaving away to be reminded that I better be nice to him or it will be me down there.

Again, completely different situations. The company could realistically lose 3/4 of our entire department and (being somewhat selective with who is left) we'd be "fine".

EDIT: Also, when they release you and move your end date up, they pay out 2 weeks OR to the date you gave, whichever is less. So it isn't like they'd just be sending me on my way; but the extra in the 401k match and the accrued vacation would be much better for me.

The difference is you see what they're doing. Before working for the bus company I worked for all small businesses. I knew the owners and their families. They treated me well and I did my best to do right by them. Now I'm a number and if I am not here there are a line of people to take my spot. There is little incentive to care at all about the company.

Wally wrote: The difference is you see what they're doing. Before working for the bus company I worked for all small businesses. I knew the owners and their families. They treated me well and I did my best to do right by them. Now I'm a number and if I am not here there are a line of people to take my spot. There is little incentive to care at all about the company.

Yep. I do feel bad about my peers, who I consider my friends, who will have to pick up after me. I intend to have procedures written out for all of my items they are not familiar with, and step out every single project that I have left. The funny thing is though, I tried to write procedures earlier in the year and was told not to because of [insert various reasons that were real and good], but that isn't the best thing now. So now I have to make it look like I'm working on these 3 month long projects that will NOT be completed by me, while I'm really cleaning up as much as I can for the people who will be taking my place.

Datsun1500 wrote: Do not say anything until the 2nd. Seriously, say nothing. Again, I say that as someone with employees, you will get screwed.

As the saying goes, "its just business."

Govern yourself accordingly. As a business owner, it is a risk the business assumes hiring employees. And at the end of the day, if you weren't making them money, you'd be E36 M3 canned.

Loyalty to a company is an absurd notion in this day and age. Obviously respect is important in any situation, period, but they'd outsource you in a second if it was feasible to do so.

mtn wrote:

bearmtnmartin wrote: Look at it this way; If they hired you and are paying you what must be a fair chunk of change to be there every day, they must feel you add value to the business. They may do a poor job of showing that and you should point that out to them if it is part of the reason you are leaving. So if they have 100 employees your leaving may have less impact than if they have 10, but you have to think it has an impact or why are you there at all?

I don't disagree with you. But I still have to look out for myself first. I cannot guarantee they will not tell me to leave prior to the 1st, which would mean I'm out $1,500. An example of this would be the person in my role prior to me. She left the department right as the end of year evaluations determining the bonus and salary were being calibrated. She told me that her raise and bonus were less than the minimum (obviously were bumped up to the minimum). Prior to that, she had always done very well. While we can't prove it, we believe they said "Oh, she's gone. We're not worried about compensating her", even though she is still with the company. Why would they look out for me? They like me even less than her. What about giving them a notice of January 16th today, and then on the 2nd shortening it to the 9th? Is that better? I'd say it isn't because it is blatant dishonesty, but that would get me almost as much as the $1450 if they decide to shorten my notice to the 31st.

there's no rule that says 2 weeks … protect yourself … wait until after the 1st (I'd wait 'til the 3rd or 4th) … then give notice for your last day … I think you mentioned that you're in a right to work/fire state … if you're in a position that they might walk you straight to the door … don't risk the money that is supposed to be yours

in my situation, I mentioned to my supervisor in July that I was going to retire and that he might ought to start thinking about getting me someone to train … he asked "when was I going out ?" I said sometime in the late fall … his response was … shrug …

when I told him ( early Oct) that the first of Nov would be it … he panicked … got someone with me to learn the product (hint: it took me yrs to learn what I knew) and wanted me to train her in 3 weeks … she had zero understanding of electronics … and while that wasn't a requirement, it sure did make the job easier

I made 4 different (though very similar products) I had to build from scratch, do all the soldering, then test, then troubleshoot and that failed, rework, retest … then safety wire and ship …

the day before I was due to leave he came to me and pretty much begged me to stay 'til the end of the yr … I laughed and pointed out that I had given him 4 mo. warning, and now there are 3 people doing what I did

(even though staying would have gotten me something like 10 days of holiday pay, and kept me from paying for 2 additional mo. of COBRA)

make sure that you go out the way you want to

bearmtnmartin wrote: I guess I just don't understand companies that do not value their employees. They do all the work and I only have to watch one of my guys knee deep in mud slaving away to be reminded that I better be nice to him or it will be me down there.

It's really not that difficult. There are companies that do appreciate their employees and there are some that don't. Some companies will walk you out so that you don't steal or destroy something. Here they ask for two weeks, but some people they have simply let them take their vacation for those two weeks.

As an employer, I like a notice as it gives me some time to hire someone. I only have 11 employees, so losing one guy makes a difference on everyone. However I can see how it may not be a big deal working for a place with several hundred employed.

spitfirebill wrote:

bearmtnmartin wrote: I guess I just don't understand companies that do not value their employees. They do all the work and I only have to watch one of my guys knee deep in mud slaving away to be reminded that I better be nice to him or it will be me down there.

It's really not that difficult. There are companies that do appreciate their employees and there are some that don't. Some companies will walk you out so that you don't steal or destroy something. Here they ask for two weeks, but some people they have simply let them take their vacation for those two weeks.

I have been wondering if anybody has done that. That would be my plan. It would absolutely suck to be roped into work for two weeks w/ the place and the people you are desperately trying to escape from.

if you work in a place like that, then 2 hr. notice should suffice

wbjones wrote: if you work in a place like that, then 2 hr. notice should suffice

Note to self: New Plan A

Datsun1500 wrote: I'm going to turn on shiny happy person mode for a moment. You asked for advice and a lot of people keep saying tell them on Jan. 2nd so you don't get screwed. You keep giving reasons and/or excuses on why you need to do it earlier. Do it earlier if you want to, just be prepared to get screwed over. If you don't, great! If you do, don't expect sympathy from us. It's really that simple. If you wait until Jan. 2, you can't get screwed out of your money, any earlier, you can. If you want to take that risk, go ahead.

Sorry, didn't mean to come off as if I was planning anything different than January 2 at this point. I'd pretty much made the decision before starting the thread, and now I've completely made my decision. Any time that it looked like I was arguing for it differently, I was merely playing devils advocate.

Actually, I'm confused as to where you see reasons and excuses to do it sooner, from me anyways.

I worked for a company once. I won't name names, but THEY BUILT THE OBAMACARE WEBSITE. Cough-CouGhI-cough-cough. A not-unknown practice there was for the employee to go on 2 weeks of vacation, get back and find out they were fired. Saw it several times. Like "Oh, Hi, Jose, I didn't know you were going to be in town." (Jose, AKA the Short Mexican Grim Reaper because he showed up and people disappeared, had an office >2K miles away and in a different country.) "Oh, jess, how are jou? Jou are doing a great job, we has no monies, clear out jou desk, jou fired."

Yeah, you own companies like that a lot. Uh-huh.