This is big news. The recent tie up of Bombardier and Airbus over the C-series is also very interesting....
This is big news. The recent tie up of Bombardier and Airbus over the C-series is also very interesting....
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I wonder what Boeing would want to do with the smaller Embraer business jets. Doesn't seem like an area they really want to be in. Perhaps that all gets sold to Textron or gets spun off or something. Probably other things that would get spun off as well.
I didn't know about the Airbus / C-Series deal. C-Series seems like a great way for Bombardier to slowly bleed itself dry. Watching them do so little with Learjet over the years has been painful.
I saw an interesting youtube about the C-Series- apparently, it's a really good size- bigger than regional planes, but small enough to get into smaller airports. Add in the combination of great range (trans Atlantic) and great fuel consumption, they seem to be a very desirable plane. And it's a size that Boeing can't make profitably.
Since Airbus has full access to that, this appears that Boeing wants in that market without reinventing the production line.
pres589 said:
I didn't know about the Airbus / C-Series deal. C-Series seems like a great way for Bombardier to slowly bleed itself dry. Watching them do so little with Learjet over the years has been painful.
You may have made a common mistake. Many people still think that Bombardier is in the business of building aircraft and trains. Their sole business for the last few decades has been acquiring government subsidies and forgivable loans.
And they are damn good at it.
Everything I've heard about working under Bombardier management sounds like the worst ideas from every Dilbert scene, mashed up, and thrown up all over everyone involved. Understood about the free gov. money aspect.
That would be interesting.
I worked on 135s, 140s, and 145s before they were retired from the majors. They were built like tanks and fairly easy to work on but not super efficient as the airframe and the RR AE3007s were showing their age.
I was less than impressed with the 170s and 190s despite their performance improvements as the 170s seemed to corrode the hell out of their floor rails all the time and they liked to slam their control surfaces shut when powered on.
Interesting how the market suddenly (and quickly) backed away from the higher capacity cattle carriers as the current generation of airframes and engines rolled out. I heard that the Dubai airshow finally broke the A380 since carriers came out and said it's cheaper to fly two 787's tail to tail than fly the A380 and didn't order anymore.
Small regionals seem to be back in vogue again.
I don't think this merger ever gets off the ground, but if it does the resulting company could really take off as their market share soars higher. That's all I've got.
pres589 said:Everything I've heard about working under Bombardier management sounds like the worst ideas from every Dilbert scene, mashed up, and thrown up all over everyone involved. Understood about the free gov. money aspect.
It's not just their management.
pres589 said:Everything I've heard about working under Bombardier management sounds like the worst ideas from every Dilbert scene, mashed up, and thrown up all over everyone involved. Understood about the free gov. money aspect.
I spent 5 years working for them in Wichita as a first level engineering supervisor. I could tell many stories if supplied with beer.
As a point of reference, I was authorized to spend up to $0 of the company's cash. My boss was able to spend up to $75. We needed to by a fax machine to test some in flight connectivity, and they cost about $85. I think we needed to go to a VP.
Streetwiseguy said:pres589 said:
I didn't know about the Airbus / C-Series deal. C-Series seems like a great way for Bombardier to slowly bleed itself dry. Watching them do so little with Learjet over the years has been painful.
You may have made a common mistake. Many people still think that Bombardier is in the business of building aircraft and trains. Their sole business for the last few decades has been acquiring government subsidies and forgivable loans.
And they are damn good at it.
I think they actually made more money selling off the Montreal real estate they acquired from Canadair than they've ever made in the airplane business.
As a Canadian I am offended by Bombardier and their hotline to the federal government. They have been exploiting the too big to fail card for far too long. It was sickening to see the Prime Minister go publicly to bat for them the day after the E36 M3 hit the fan. Like he is personally a shareholder or board member. Well thats my money they are pissing away and I am tired of it. Part of it is the whole we-are-in -Quebec-so-give -us-what -we-want-or-we-will-leave thing.
And the Corporate solution to the taffiffs was to effectively give the C Series to Airbus for free. What the hell. Seems reasonable given that it is only Canadian tax dollars they donated anyway. Not like it came out of their own bank account.
Boeing is just as bad or worse when it comes to sucking up taxpayer dollars. It seems as if we in both Countries are moving farther and farther from free enterprise and closer and closer to true welfare states. What ever happened to paying your money and taking your chances? End the bailouts and government support. Enough is enough.
I do like the c-series. It's a fantastic plane.
Fueled by Caffeine said:I do like the c-series. It's a fantastic plane.
...On paper.
I keep reading Embraer as Embalmer. Seems like a terrible name for an aircraft.
In reply to Driven5 :
??? I’ve been inside seen them. Produce components for them.
In reply to Fueled by Caffeine :
Just because something looks great sitting in the showroom and on the glossy brochure, does not make it fantastic...That takes years of service to prove.
I too have direct experience with their Engineering and QA, although it seems mine may differ from yours.
In reply to Driven5 :
One of my groups is technical field services... Noone is perfect, trust me on that..... EIS is messy..
pres589 said:I wonder what Boeing would want to do with the smaller Embraer business jets. Doesn't seem like an area they really want to be in
Boeing acquired Aurora Flight Sciences a few weeks ago, who are working on some interesting unmanned flight projects. (dad works there)
Maybe boeing trying to put some of these pieces together?
I wonder if this has anything to do with the possible Embraer contract for an A10 replacement?
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