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oldtin
oldtin SuperDork
12/4/12 9:32 p.m.

Here's a new low

linky

Thankfully the cop is a poor shot. If it were me, there's a fair chance I would have got shot too.

aussiesmg
aussiesmg UltimaDork
12/4/12 9:54 p.m.

29lbs, man what a huge beast

Toyman01
Toyman01 PowerDork
12/4/12 9:56 p.m.

I get the feeling there is more to this story.

I can't imagine why you would need a guy for a dog the size of a foot ball though.

SyntheticBlinkerFluid
SyntheticBlinkerFluid UltraDork
12/4/12 10:15 p.m.

I saw pictures of the property on the Chicago news a few minutes ago. The guy has a huge fenced in yard. I don't know how the dog was a threat. Luckily the dog is alive and walking as the owner brought him home today.

I don't know how much of the story we're not getting, but by eyewitness accounts, it sounds like the police officer was not being threatened by the dog.

Oh and the fact that he got a ticket by the police three days after the fact, is bullE36 M3.

rebelgtp
rebelgtp UltraDork
12/4/12 11:33 p.m.

It is Chicago what do you expect?

SyntheticBlinkerFluid
SyntheticBlinkerFluid UltraDork
12/5/12 12:26 a.m.

What's that supposed to mean?

novaderrik
novaderrik UltraDork
12/5/12 1:14 a.m.
SyntheticBlinkerFluid wrote: What's that supposed to mean?

Chicago is known as being a rather corrupt city- hence the phrase "Chicago style politics"...

N Sperlo
N Sperlo UltimaDork
12/5/12 7:12 a.m.

Colonial Phillips? Sounds like the pup out-ranked the cop. It's a turf war.

Woody
Woody MegaDork
12/5/12 7:48 a.m.
novaderrik wrote:
SyntheticBlinkerFluid wrote: What's that supposed to mean?
Chicago is known as being a rather corrupt city- hence the phrase "Chicago style politics"...

The dog was a registered voter.

pinchvalve
pinchvalve UltimaDork
12/5/12 7:57 a.m.

Sounds like a "it might be a pitbull so shoot first and ask questions later" situation. I don't envy the police and what they face out there, but come one.

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy UberDork
12/5/12 8:57 a.m.
SyntheticBlinkerFluid wrote: What's that supposed to mean?

You can start with the guys at the top.........

N Sperlo
N Sperlo UltimaDork
12/5/12 9:19 a.m.
pinchvalve wrote: Sounds like a "it might be a pitbull so shoot first and ask questions later" situation. I don't envy the police and what they face out there, but come one.

I deal with plenty of wild pits. Very gentle and playful dogs. I've never had to draw on one. Sounds like the police may not be in the right. I really doubt the dog was attacking. Maybe barking. The only question the officer should be asking is, "When does my suspension end?"

My friends from North St Louis: He gave me a kiss.

yamaha
yamaha Dork
12/5/12 9:28 a.m.
rebelgtp wrote: It is Chicago what do you expect?

This, I doubt anything will come of it.....even with a huge media presense

Xceler8x
Xceler8x UltraDork
12/5/12 9:33 a.m.
N Sperlo wrote: I deal with plenty of wild pits. Very gentle and playful dogs. I've never had to draw on one. Sounds like the police may not be in the right. I really doubt the dog was attacking. Maybe barking. The only question the officer should be asking is, "When does my suspension end?" My friends from North St Louis: He gave me a kiss.

Thanks for posting this. Also, thanks for being an animal lover.

Strizzo
Strizzo UberDork
12/5/12 10:05 a.m.
SyntheticBlinkerFluid wrote: I saw pictures of the property on the Chicago news a few minutes ago. The guy has a huge fenced in yard. I don't know how the dog was a threat. Luckily the dog is alive and walking as the owner brought him home today. I don't know how much of the story we're not getting, but by eyewitness accounts, it sounds like the police officer was not being threatened by the dog. Oh and the fact that he got a ticket by the police three days after the fact, is bullE36 M3.

three days after, after the cops drove by and saw the media, then came back later to question them about contacting the media.

dculberson
dculberson SuperDork
12/5/12 10:25 a.m.

Cops - at least those on duty - do not give one thought to shooting a dog. Whether or not that's "right," it's a fact. They'll shoot dogs inside a fence if they think it's at all possible for the dog to get out of the fence, and some times even if it's not possible.

Knowing that, it's important for dog owners to restrain their dogs around police officers. You need to treat the officer like it's an instant death if the dog gets anywhere near him. Because it probably is.

Sounds to me like the owner got two warnings, he should have taken the hint. It's not hard to restrain your dog, but I know plenty of dog owners that are idiots about it. If the dog is rushing to get out, don't say "hey, don't do that little snookable lovey pooch," you grab it and instantly restrain it. Verbal commands are not enough in an emergency situation. I love dogs and it sounds like the officer should not have shot it, but this is not at all surprising to me. CONTROL YOUR DOGS!!

Jay_W
Jay_W Dork
12/5/12 10:37 a.m.

It is most definitely NOT OK that cops have carte blanche to shoot dogs. It shouldn't be "instant death if the dog gets anywhere near him". This sort of thing is a power and intimidation ploy pure and simple. One of these days it's going to backfire.

oldtin
oldtin SuperDork
12/5/12 10:43 a.m.

A good part of a cop's job is to use some judgement/common sense. A seven month old puppy wagging its tail and following it's owner out behind a gate isn't exactly the kind of threat that warrants lethal force - as far as emergency - cop was writing a parking ticket. As for the warning - an eyewitness says there was no time between the commands to control the dog and shots. Owners have said they plan to sue the city. City will win, but they are getting pilloried in the media in the meantime. Owners should be in control of pets at all times, change the circumstance to adult rottweiller/pit bull/doberman making a run towards the cop and it wouldn't be an issue, but taking a couple shots at 15" tall puppy - puts the cop in the asshat category.

N Sperlo
N Sperlo UltimaDork
12/5/12 10:49 a.m.

Without a doubt, restrain your dog around police, but I have known police to be like me. No problem approaching and securing a 175 lb dog safely and without aggression, so don't think all officers will react aggressively.

On the flip side, I also know an officer that had a trained attack dog train on him and jump through the window. That dog did not survive. Unfortunately, its owner was a criminal.

Its important to keep in mind that any law enforcement will approach a situation hoping for the best and expecting the worst. The most important part of any officers day is going home.

I expect to hear more about this story. There is missing information.

Aeromoto
Aeromoto HalfDork
12/5/12 10:49 a.m.

Having known and delt with many cops, and having cops in my family by marriage, I'm of the opinion that most cops are cops because they are too stupid to do anything else, or have ego issues that they are compensating for. Why else would someone take a dangerous job that pays only a little bit more than cutting lettuce at McDonalds.

N Sperlo
N Sperlo UltimaDork
12/5/12 11:02 a.m.

In reply to Aeromoto:

Because its what their good at. Money is not an issue for a good officer. Military gets thanked for protecting our homeland from overseas. Police, Security, and Watchmen do it inland and get the treatment you're giving them. Sounds like you don't mix with good people.

cwh
cwh PowerDork
12/5/12 11:18 a.m.

Several days ago,two cops were serving a warrant on a sexual predator. One block from my house. Two large pits charged the cops. They could not be seen from where the officers entered the property. End result- I heard 8 shots, sounded like .45s from a Colt. (As in, emptied the clip) One dead dog, and a slightly chewed up cop. No mention of poor puppy, why did they do that. Those dogs, and their owner, were well known in the neighborhood, but not by the cops.

dculberson
dculberson SuperDork
12/5/12 11:21 a.m.
Jay_W wrote: It is most definitely NOT OK that cops have carte blanche to shoot dogs. It shouldn't be "instant death if the dog gets anywhere near him". This sort of thing is a power and intimidation ploy pure and simple. One of these days it's going to backfire.

I didn't say it was OK, but it is a fact. Expect your dog to get shot if it is loose around a cop on duty.

Lesley
Lesley PowerDork
12/5/12 11:29 a.m.

Ridiculous. Most of the bull terriers I've met couldn't outwaddle a fat man.

Aeromoto
Aeromoto HalfDork
12/5/12 11:34 a.m.
N Sperlo wrote: In reply to Aeromoto: Because its what their good at. Money is not an issue for a good officer. Military gets thanked for protecting our homeland from overseas. Police, Security, and Watchmen do it inland and get the treatment you're giving them. Sounds like you don't mix with good people.

No, I just don't automatically assume someone is "good people" simply because they passed a civil service exam and have a bagde pinned to their polyester shirt

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