Civil Unrest Check-in Thread

I think we need more guys like these. https://www.12news.com/article/news/local/valley/business-owner-defends-store-during-scottsdale-looting/75-785f1952-bf9f-4899-84e3-6b66f7f51643

Stood in front of there store armed.  Caused the protesters to stop and peacefully protest as shown in video.  Maybe more armed shop owners will keep guard of their buildings, there will be less carnage.  If it is legal to shoot someone walking to your car during road rage, how could it not be legal to shoot them trying to break your windows and attack you where you stand?  

I had lunch around the corner and the salad shop that was vandalized (vandalize a salad shop, that will show the cops) is a regular lunch stop from the office.  

If you look at the people rioting (meeting at the local Mercedes dealership), they are all white privileged kids.  

Maybe another peaceful solution would be to give out the addresses of all of the arrested rioters/ protestors like they do with guys caught with hookers.  People could 'peacefully' protest at their homes.  Loosing the cover of being anonymous might change the way they behave.  

Justjim75 said:

https://townhall-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/05/31/watch-video-from-around-the-country-shows-antifa-thugs-hijacking-george-floyd-pr-n2569761?amp=true

This isnt good at all if true

For some reason I have reason(s) to doubt Bill Barr's narrative.  

In reply to former520 :

Any cop who doesn't flip upon a fellow cop, whom they know is bad, is not only a bad cop themselves, but effectively a member of a state run terrorist organization.

And that's coming from a former police officer.

Chicago is a zoo right now. Riots downtown, west side, south side. Looting etc.

Its absolutely a mess. 

TopNoodles said:

In reply to GIRTHQUAKE :

A little context would go a long way. I had to do a little digging before I realized your link is not related to Omaha at all.

I'm in Omaha right now. Grew up in the northeast corner aka the "hood", currently live west and work in the southeast area, delivering all over.

Given how many other cities are burning and ours is not, I'm happy with how it's been handled thus far.

Could've been better tho. OPD gassed and sprayed the dodge protest group at 20:15 when their permit to protest supposedly ran out at 20:00.

Sorry that my link was to somewhere else. I've been trying to keep all my poop in a group but it's been hard; at the hospital I work at, we believed the protests were about the Kentucky Paramedic who was killed in a no-knock raid (black woman, wrong address over a mile from the real place, done by 7 plainclothes with no cameras) until someone then brought up a 10 year old child who was shot, THEN we found out about Mr. Floyd.

I haven't seen the outcomes downtown yet, but there's a march on the capitol today at 4pm.

I was pushing my luck in the "When is it time to panic?" thread so I've been a bit quiet in here and the other thread.

For those of you who need some context about this entire situation, and why the violence is a natural outcome, please listen to this.

The hosts are admittedly leftist, however they're some of the best media critics in business today.

Yes, riot and looting is violence. However it isn't as completely indiscriminate as it seems.

It also neatly pulls apart the language used by the media, city, state, and national officials which exacerbates the problem.

In reply to Georges1991 :

Oak Lawn, Tinley Park all the way out to Orland Park and 159th & LaGrange Road, Lincoln Way area.  

captdownshift (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to former520 :

Any cop who doesn't flip upon a fellow cop, whom they know is bad, is not only a bad cop themselves, but effectively a member of a state run terrorist organization.

 

And that's coming from a former police officer.

I know that you cannot paint any group with a broad brush.  We all know there is good and bad in every aspect of life.  The known fact that good cops won't roll on bad cops unfortunately paints even the good ones with a poor light.  I truly feel that there is a small number of bad, the amount officers that know of bad officers would be a multipe of that.  The fact that it is allowed to go on is a 100% culture failure of the depts nationwide.

The hard question is, how do we change that?  Does there need to be a % of officers that need to be let go ever year?  Gives blind opportunity to remove bad ones without major cause.  Will good ones get caught up also, yes, but isn't one of the major tennents of America, loss of the few for the greater of all?

It is not that there is a lack of choices for officers.  There was an opening in Phoenix years ago for a beat cop postion that had nearly 1000 applicants per spot.  You take a position that pays the same at any major company and you may get a couple hundred.  With the unions, you are stuck with the bad ones with no recourse to remove minus a national news event.

I am in no way anti-cop, my uncle was a Detective in the same Minneapolis Police Dept under the spotlight today.  

former520 said:

captdownshift (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to former520 :

Any cop who doesn't flip upon a fellow cop, whom they know is bad, is not only a bad cop themselves, but effectively a member of a state run terrorist organization.

 

And that's coming from a former police officer.

I know that you cannot paint any group with a broad brush.  We all know there is good and bad in every aspect of life.  The known fact that good cops won't roll on bad cops unfortunately paints even the good ones with a poor light.  I truly feel that there is a small number of bad, the amount officers that know of bad officers would be a multipe of that.  The fact that it is allowed to go on is a 100% culture failure of the depts nationwide.

The hard question is, how do we change that?  Does there need to be a % of officers that need to be let go ever year?  Gives blind opportunity to remove bad ones without major cause.  Will good ones get caught up also, yes, but isn't one of the major tennents of America, loss of the few for the greater of all?

It is not that there is a lack of choices for officers.  There was an opening in Phoenix years ago for a beat cop postion that had nearly 1000 applicants per spot.  You take a position that pays the same at any major company and you may get a couple hundred.  With the unions, you are stuck with the bad ones with no recourse to remove minus a national news event.

I am in no way anti-cop, my uncle was a Detective in the same Minneapolis Police Dept under the spotlight today.  

We change it with actual oversight.  We change it by preventing cops from investigating cops.  We change it by not firing every cop that tries to expose corruption.  We change it by not rehiring cops that have been fired because the police union successfully litigated that they should have a job when the last time they had a job they killed people.

Basically we start over with law enforcement.  The whole structure of law enforcement needs to be torn down and rebuilt. 

I think the cops need to watch out for the other cops and WATCH the other cops , 

Someone needed to tell the cop  "Enough" and if he had to push his fellow cop off  of Floyds neck  then do it  , The same thing with Rodney King and his beating ,  

I hope things calm down , that calmer heads do some social media stuff   ,  that the leaders of Black life matters  who seem to be the leaders of the protest  can get there people to rat on the looters......yeah I know Fat Chance.......

former520 said:

.  Will good ones get caught up also, yes, but isn't one of the major tennents of America, loss of the few for the greater of all?

 

I hope this was "tongue in cheek" (I'll be the first to acknowledge sarcasm and intentional hyperbole don't translate well in internet dialog).

In answer to your question, NO, that is absolutely the opposite of what America is about.  America is about the value of the individual.  

californiamilleghia said:

That the leaders of Black life matters  who seem to be the leaders of the protest  can get there people to rat on the looters......yeah I know Fat Chance.......

 

About the same change as cops rolling on bad cops, only difference is one group took an oath to serve and protect and had a choice in career. The other didn't have a choice in melatonin levels and skin pigmentation. 

It's a small number or officers who are the issue, just as it a small number of protesters. If the police aren't policing themselves, creating the initial outrage, can you really expect leadership of a grassroots civil organization to police their own? 

Also, I've you're ever not sure what white privilege is, see armed protesters with assault rifles on the steps of State houses, breaching  the entrance and entering State houses, over having to wear masks and not being able to get haircuts without a round being fired upon them, no teargas being used, no pepper spray, no rubber bullets, no police vehicles being used to ram crowds. Compare that to the past 5 days. That's privilege, that's America and anyone can choose to be blind to it, but that's a choice and it's a choice to be ignorant. There's a lot wrong with this country, it's fixable, and if people are willing to admit that they're wrong or have been wrong in the past, there won't need to be a lot of pain in fixing things. But it takes pride to admit being wrong, admitting failure, and this country has far too much pride. Sometimes the best way to take down someone with too much pride is to punch them in the mouth, take them down a few notches. Then once they respect you and are willing to reason with you, as they have to, you tell why you had to knock them in the mouth, and start building them back into a better individual. This is what basic training within the military is about. Swallow pride or get knocked in the mouth. There is a choice. 

In reply to GIRTHQUAKE :

20:15 is after 20:00.

I know you and I probably won't see eye to eye on that detail, but I like a law enforcement that lays out the rules and then proceeds to enforce them. If they wanted the crowd dispersed at 21:00, they would have said 21:00.

Backup police cars were still passing my home at midnight, so I don't think they started too soon.

kazoospec said:

former520 said:

.  Will good ones get caught up also, yes, but isn't one of the major tennents of America, loss of the few for the greater of all?

 

I hope this was "tongue in cheek" (I'll be the first to acknowledge sarcasm and intentional hyperbole don't translate well in internet dialog).

In answer to your question, NO, that is absolutely the opposite of what America is about.  America is about the value of the individual.  

But how did we get to where we can value the individual?  By war and sacrifice of the few for the greater of all.  Everyday we are sacrificing soldiers across the world so that the majority of us can be free to be individuals.  Right from the onset of America and the Revolutionary War, there has always been the sacrifice of a few for the greater whole.  

captdownshift (Forum Supporter) said:

Also, I've you're ever not sure what white privilege is, see armed protesters with assault rifles on the steps of State houses, breaching  the entrance and entering State houses, over having to wear masks and not being able to get haircuts without a round being fired upon them, no teargas being used, no pepper spray, no rubber bullets, no police vehicles being used to ram crowds. Compare that to the past 5 days. That's privilege...

I don't think "white privilege" is why the MI protesters weren't fired at. I think it has more to do with the fact that they were obviously well-armed and the cops didn't want to get into an actual gunfight. Additionally, gov Whitmers orders are probably not very popular with the MI cops in the first place, so they may be more sympathetic to those protesters, especially since they were not throwing stuff at the cops. Protesters/rioters that are screaming "F the police" and throwing things at officers  (as seen in the one video I watched today) would be seen as more of a threat, since the violence is directed more at the officers themselves, vs some anger at a politician and her policies.

That being said, I support protesters that are actually upset about police brutality to minorities, but once they turn from peaceful protesters to violent rioters, then I do not support them.

In reply to 90BuickCentury :

An officers job is to enforce the law, whether it be a law that they agree with, or not. If sympathy towards the cause in any way affects their policing, they're in the wrong line of work. that mindset is also what leads to being sympathetic towards other cops that do bad. you can't have feeble-minded officers and an effective police force. 

Also, there's a fine line between compassion and sympathy. You can have compassion and still do your job, sympathy not nearly as well. 

In reply to captdownshift (Forum Supporter) :

I agree with you on that. My main point was that there were other factors than white privilege at play in the 2 scenarios.

Datsun310Guy said:

In reply to Georges1991 :

Oak Lawn, Tinley Park all the way out to Orland Park and 159th & LaGrange Road, Lincoln Way area.  

As someone who lives in Oak Lawn, do you know something we don't?  

My apologies - I got caught up in FB crap.  

In reply to Datsun310Guy :

No worries.


There is a lot of intentionally false information beng spread.  There has been BS spread on FB, Twitter and even some folks hacking the police radio frequencies with false info, leading people with scanners to believe and spread even more false info.


I'm not saying we are going to be trouble free all night, but as of right now the only news is that businesses are shutting down, and there will be a curfew from 9PM to 5AM. There are reports of SnapChat being used to set up attacks on businesses that aren't protected.  We'll see how things progress.

In reply to Cooter :

My wife's friend lives in Oak Lawn and texted her how bad it was.  ????  What the heck?

I just want to remind everyone that this thread is more of a "check in and make sure you're doing ok" that a "let's fix race relations in the country". I understand anger and fear and that a lot of you are close to the events out there. We can't let this thread devolve into a political debate, not on GRM, it won't stay open if it does. 

So far today it seems that Santa Monica is the Hotspot , with a lot of looting  after a peaceful start around noon , 

There is a 4pm curfew in the Santa Monica area , and a 6pm curfew for all of LA county ,  seemslike the rest of the  area is Ok , but its just 5pm now so it will be a long night . 

Attacking Santa Monica city hall now , EDIT they did not get in and ran away.......and only here , a Sushi bar is burning......

In reply to Datsun310Guy :

My wife drove down 95th street from Pulaski to Chicago Ridge Mall.   Nothing aside from an increased police presence and closed down businesses.   I live a block off of 95th right at our "downtown".    Nothing to report here.


But if you follow certain pages and groups without going out, you will hear that the town is under seige.   It's the telephone game.