Today, after getting the Pfizer vaccine yesterday, the only noticeable effect is that my shoulder is a little sore where I got the shot. I did feel a little extra tired yesterday evening, but that could also have been from coming off of night shift and not getting much rest during the day.
My daughter who works in a nursing home is pregnant and will not be getting it until after she has the baby in late March.
My step-father who is 97 is gravely ill with a possible stroke and tested positive for COVID. We just found out last night when he went to the ER after a rapid decline. He is a great man and has lived his life better than anyone else I have known. The days ahead will be hard.
Wash your hands, don't touch your face.
I got the Pfizer vaccine yesterday. I feel fine today, my arm is a little sore but only if I'm lifting something. We'll see what happens with the second injection, I think that's the one that people had more side effects with.
I'll get it whenever Florida offers it to young essential worker folks like me, maybe spring-ish? I thought the first shot was the rough one and they rebalanced the dosage to make the first step less of a doozy.
I encourage people to listen this podcast
Joe Rogan ep #1582
https://open.spotify.com/episode/3hjLLalZM7kXtZPxI5057q?si=4DGbAHA1Tr-mf0vtkIz52Q
Very interesting conversation on Covid
In reply to Subscriber-unavailabile :
I think all the evidence points to the fact that we didn't do enough. Look at our numbers compared to other countries that DID shutdown and quarantine.
There is also the fact that I won't ignore the hard data collected by millions of scientists, doctors, epidemiologists, and healthcare workers in favor of a UFC commentator with a podcast talking to a writer who's higher than a kite. On the one hand here are millions of people who went to school for 8-15 years, held to the highest standards of education and knowledge, have made it their entire life's pursuit to know all they can about infectious disease, but on the other hand, there's a guy who was an announcer for people who bash other people over the heads with folding chairs talking about weed.
I'll stick with the doctors.
In reply to Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) :
Like I said interesting conversation, not oh hear look at these facts. And the writer who's "high as a kite" wrote a book about the dangers of smoking pot. And the meat head pushes back against a lot of others opinions. Assuming you didn't listen. Just because you think these people are morons doesn't mean they don't have valid opinions. But god forbid anyone speak out of the narrative.
Don't understand why it's such a horrible thing to hear people speak about this openly.
In reply to Subscriber-unavailabile :
Some people are activists and have to reply stongly to any view that is not within their orthodoxy. Don't take it personally.
In reply to AAZCD (Forum Supporter) :
I don't, atleast try my best not to. Just trying to have open discussion with people that only see things one way
Subscriber-unavailabile said:
In reply to Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) :
Like I said interesting conversation, not oh hear look at these facts. And the writer who's "high as a kite" wrote a book about the dangers of smoking pot. And the meat head pushes back against a lot of others opinions. Assuming you didn't listen. Just because you think these people are morons doesn't mean they don't have valid opinions. But god forbid anyone speak out of the narrative.
Don't understand why it's such a horrible thing to hear people speak about this openly.
I'll admit, my response was a bit cheeky. It's just that the overwhelming heaps of evidence coming from the most intelligent minds on the planet are saying it's real while the preponderance of counter-thought is coming from laypeople with zero medical background.
Edit for simplicity: When millions of scientists and doctors talk about medical things, I tend to listen. When laypeople offer what they (not you necessarily) consider to be credible counterpoint and it comes from celebrities or non-medical people, I call it dubious.
Let's say your low oil light comes on, so you know its either actually low oil or a malfunctioning sensor. You take it to 1 million mechanics. They all test the sensor and check the dipstick. 990,000 of those mechanics agree that you are down a quart on oil. Now take it to 1 million non-mechanical people. 250,000 of them ask if it's just your headlight fluid, 200,000 of them say it's a secret government conspiracy to monitor your oil consumption, and the remaining 550,000 just agree with "whatever the others said because they posted it on facebook."
I'll put a quart of oil in.
AAZCD (Forum Supporter) said:
In reply to Subscriber-unavailabile :
Some people are activists and have to reply stongly to any view that does not come from credible sources. Don't take it personally.
Edited to reflect my views.
And no... I hope it was not taken personally. I respect everyone's view, even if I disagree with their conclusions or sources.
Subscriber-unavailabile said:
In reply to AAZCD (Forum Supporter) :
I don't, atleast try my best not to. Just trying to have open discussion with people that only see things one way
You may be 100% correct. Maybe the folks who are calling this a scam are spot on. I'm definitely open to that possibility. I would love to wake up and discover that it was all a hoax and 1.7 million people didn't die from a virus. If that happens, the worst that happened was I was careful for no reason. I wore a piece of paper on my face for a year and had better personal hygiene. I would certainly not want it the other way around - if I ignored it and later found out that I unknowingly infected 1000 people and was therefore indirectly responsible for 50 people dying and the rest of them suffering wondering if they were going to die.
But so far there is no evidence to support that theory, sadly.
In reply to Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) :
Me nor the people on the show I listed don't claim this virus is fake/conspiracy. Simply how this pandemic has been completely mishandled, mediaized, politicalized.
When Dr Fauci goes on tv to tell us we don't need to be with family during the holidays, but protesting is the streets(which is still going on and not being covered) is okay, I'm not going to listen/trust anything coming out his mouth.
Think about it, why is it okay to get on airplane, be face to face with others, are handed drinks/snacks to enjoy, but outdoor restaurants are deemed not safe?
I will agree that the rules don't always make sense, but that is a well-known pitfall of government's flat rules. Add a tax on gasoline, and then 2 years later realize that they screwed a whole section of the economy unknowingly and disproportionately.
It's like circles in your friends/family list. You're making up a wedding invitation list and you get to great aunt Jill... but if you invite her, you should really invite that whole level of family. They make rules that they think (notice I said think) will benefit the greatest number of people while screwing the least.
The way I see it is scientifically. It doesn't make sense to many people, and honestly it doesn't make sense to me either how being on a plane is safer than sitting outside at a restaurant... other than the strict rules they have made for being on a plane.
The bottom line is that they made those rules because traveling on a plane where strict mask/testing rules are in place has caused fewer cases than untested/unmasked-while-eating John Q Public going to Denny's. You're welcome to disagree.
I had to laugh at the stores here in the beginning of the pandemic when they implemented that one-way in the aisles rule. I went to the grocery store and did my shopping. After putting my food in the car I figured I wanted a Starbucks so I went back in the entrance to the Starbucks right there in the store. When I went to leave (out the enter-only) there was a grocery store employee there who went nuts that I was trying to go out the entrance. Instead of leaving where there were zero people, the "rules" said I had to walk the entire serpentine course through the store so I could exit on the other side... with 200 people sharing the air for an additional 10 minutes.
I just kept walking out the entrance as she spouted things like "you think you're better than everyone else?" I should have said, "no, just smarter and more aware." I agree - some rules don't make sense, but in the case of airlines vs restaurants, the data is showing that airline travel is safer than restaurants. Not to mention, restaurants can still operate with takeout and delivery. It sucks for the servers and isn't usually as profitable, but they can physically function. Airlines can't do that. I don't have enough data to offer a specific opinion on which rules make sense and which ones don't, but I do know the impetus behind airlines vs restaurants.
Subscriber-unavailabile said:
Think about it, why is it okay to get on airplane, be face to face with others, are handed drinks/snacks to enjoy, but outdoor restaurants are deemed not safe?
Because airlines are basically state owned at this point, the government has to prop them up to keep them from failing and so it's ok to fly. Heck, you don't even need to not have a deadly disease to get on a plane in/to the US. Mom and pop restaurants don't pay lobbyists, United pays lobbysists. And probably plenty of 'merit' scholarships or whatever the current graft is these days.
Why is it OK to prioritize vaccinations for 4.4 million 65+ people, who are mostly retired, exclusively over the people that have been going to work this whole time? Because young workers who keep showing up to work don't vote R as much as the swingers in The Villages and our governor knows where his bread is buttered. In summation, follow the money. Always follow the money. *This is not meant to be a sweeping D vs R comment, simply that ron desantis is a human skidmark on dirty tighty whities who is willing to let me die to ensure he gets reelected. I did my time on active duty, I know the whole "sacrifice" thing, but I'm done with that now and I don't think that that's what the kid down at Publix signed up for when they needed to make rent.
My wife and I both want to get the vaccine. We're not aware of any research involving the vaccine and pregnant women, though. I definitely want to get it as soon as possible, but I'm way down the list and I know it'll be a while. We're lucky in that we live in a small, open town where there aren't many cases, but also unlucky in that many people here don't seem to believe it's real. We'll just be staying inside and keeping to ourselves as much as possible until we can get vaccinated.
To be clear, Fauchi is not saying that it is Okay to riot.
Here is a Doctor in the very difficult position of trying to do the best he can for the population. He has made hard decisions throughout this crisis, many of which were to make sure he was heard by as many Americans as possible. Is his approach perfect? No, but he's doing his best. I think, given his choice, the Left, the Right, rioters, Proud Boys, travelers, and Antifa would all stay home
Error404 said:
Why is it OK to prioritize vaccinations for 4.4 million 65+ people, who are mostly retired, exclusively over the people that have been going to work this whole time?...
It's always a cost / benefit analysis. Yes vaccinating the working population first would attack the spread. But that does represent a very large population (more vaccine needed). Vaccinating the elderly / vulnerable is attacking / preventing the deaths, which are now becoming more prominent because of the increased spread (this was not as much of an issue a few months ago). Deaths of course are far far less likely in the younger population.
The political orientation comment seems very out of place and with little merit since the guidelines for such decisions comes from the ACIP. The ACIP members do not exactly give the impression of being political hacks: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/members/index.html
In reply to aircooled :
Disclaimer: I have not, yet, clicked your link.
The CDC recommended 'essential' workers and elderly get vaccinated in the same phase, zippering like a highway merge lane. Ron seems to have decided that no one new is allowed onto the highway but we're all expected to be at work on time. The political orientation is because of where he has been reported to have been receiving his covid info and, in part, because I am eyond fed up with a particular politcal orientation (a discussion which is not for here because we are all civil folks that can transcend political fistfights).
I understand preventing deaths and illness and that elderly are more at risk and I am in no way saying that they shouldn't get vaccinated with high priority. What I take issue with is the seeming willful ignorance to the fact that the virus can't kill or injure if it doesn't spread so, by limiting the spread, you limit the damage. Ron has already banned mask enforcement, so I'm not surprised that he doesn't care about limiting spread, so it leaves me feeling expendable. (5% of my coworkers have contracted the virus, all recovered thankfully but the next one might not be so lucky) Put another way, a 70yr old can't get it if the 22yr old cashier can't transmit it, thus preventing multiple deaths.
Edit: I clicked on your link expecting an article, I was a little surprised :) So far as I understand it, those folks have recommended to the extent that they're allowed by various levels of government, that essential workers and the elderly should be in the same vaccination phase. Ron is using his authority as preeminent Florida Man, to lay his own criteria. I, personally, ascribe his motivations to political ambitions because I don't like the man, that's my opinion.
Edit 2: Heck, maybe I'm just at an age where I am beginning to pull back the curtain and see that sad man lurking behind it, peeling back the veil on this american dream to realize that it's just business as usual for the aristocracy. Maybe not. Who knows?
This probably needs to be locked for a while again.
No Time
SuperDork
12/24/20 1:29 p.m.
In reply to AAZCD (Forum Supporter) :
Maybe a holiday truce:
My doctor suggested I may want to wait a while before considering getting the vaccine.
(sigh)
In reply to SVreX (Forum Supporter) :
Why did he suggest that?
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) said:
They make rules that they think (notice I said think) will benefit the greatest number of people while screwing the least.
I used to believe that. I honestly do not anymore.
I used to believe there was an altruistic and good streak in politicians that wanted the best for everyone, and sometimes unintended consequences happen, and sometimes the system needs to be tweaked again when unforeseen things don't go according to plan.
I don't believe that anymore.
I believe the vast majority of governmental leaders are largely in it for themselves (and their cronies, which is the same thing), and that the rules they pass are the ones they think will benefit themselves the most. To hell with the greatest number of people.
I don't believe there were any conspiracies related to coronavirus, but it's on shaky footing. I'm forcing myself to stand on that position, because I desperately want to believe everyone has acted with good intent.
