Corona Vaccine - Anyone getting it?

I'm not shocked that the 30% of health care workers are going to wait for vaccines..  Seems to be in line with the number of the general population who are interested in waiting or don't want the vaccine..  so.. health care workers are people?

aircooled said:

 

They just seem to be, to me, being (or pretending to be) shocked about something they really shouldn't be.

But.. if we didn't have outrage at the outrage.. who would be outraged?

SVreX (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to No Time :

Bobzilla has been pretty clear about his perspective throughout this entire pandemic. He's gotten kicked many many times for voicing his perspective, and run out of conversations several times. 
 

Maybe it would be better to just listen?  Calling anyone a troll is never an opening to better conversation or understanding. 

The troll moniker might have been a bit far for a calm debate but then again I think the incendiary nature of bobzilla's comment in question was a bit much as well. Not that that gives anyone a right to raise(lower?) the bar for rest of the discussion. I think I can see the intent behind the words and the opinion is as valid as any one else's; it's just unnecessarily passive-aggressive.

I saw an article over the weekend that there is an idea floating around that they might be able to give folks a half-dose of the Moderna vaccine in order to double the number of people that can be protected.  Apparently in some age groups, they found data that indicates a possibility that the half-dose may provide the same protection as a full-dose. 

A second article (or it could have been the same one, I can't recall off the top of my head) talked a bit about the possibility of only giving a single shot to people so that you'd have twice as many people with some protection.

I know that we're all accustomed to having instant access to all sorts of definitive information, but I find it absolutely fascinating to be able to basically watch scientific research happening in real-time.

In reply to iansane :

You are right.  It was passive-aggressive.  And that is not cool.

I think some of the conservative voices on this site (including Bobzilla) have felt their views aggressively beat down for months on this issue.  It doesn't excuse being passive-aggressive, but it does explain it.  It's better than aggressive-aggressive.

In reply to SVreX (Forum Supporter) :

There are quite a few people on here that don't listen to understand, they hear to respond. They don't want discussion, they want an echo chamber that just repeats what they say as frantically as they do. They don't want live and let live, they want do as you are told. They don't want to be questioned about their world view. As a general rule I ignore them and try to keep my opinions to myself.

Every once in a while they suck me in though. 

I will say that Bob is seldom one of those people. While his statement could have been worded differently to avoid offending some people, it was accurate. 

A minor change-of-subject -  do you think people will become less willing to get vaccinated after 40-50% of the population have been? 

It's likely that the death rates will drop drastically once 60% of seniors have been vaccinated for a month.

It's likely that the infection rates will drop drastically once we're halfway to herd immunity.

Right now with 2/3 of us willing to get the vaccine and 1/10 of us already having had the disease, we should be able to reach herd immunity, but will that continue once we're no longer stacking dead Americans like cordwood?

SVreX (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to iansane :

You are right.  It was passive-aggressive.  And that is not cool.

I think some of the conservative voices on this site (including Bobzilla) have felt their views aggressively beat down for months on this issue.  It doesn't excuse being passive-aggressive, but it does explain it.  It's better than aggressive-aggressive.

I can totally see how they've been browbeaten. I've refrained from posting a few times in this thread because it's felt like dogpiling a bit.

My Mother is getting in on Friday morning. CVS is going to do the whole place, employees and residents. 

CVS is where my cheap insurance sends me for my flu shot that they cover in full. They do a good job. Hopefully when it is my turn I can just make an appointment at the local CVS and show up at the right time. I don't like the looks of these long lines they have in other states. 

In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :

That's great news!

Overall, I think the various pharmacies have some really well-established vaccination processes that seem to work really well for pretty much everything else, so I don't think you'll be disappointed with how they roll out the covid one.

Finally, Snowdoggie!  I have to say, your announcement is actually a slight stress reduction for me.  I can imagine it's a huge reduction for you.

chaparral said:

....Right now with 2/3 of us willing to get the vaccine and 1/10 of us already having had the disease, we should be able to reach herd immunity, but will that continue once we're no longer stacking dead Americans like cordwood?

The massive infections now will clearly help, but as noted, it still represents a very small percentage (heard immunity wise). I don't know.  I have to say.  I am a bit worried about being able to get rid of this thing at this point.  I am very concerned as to the motivation of the 20-40 to want to get the vaccine.  I suspect a very large percentage won't. They are of course one of the suspected primary spreading groups.  Hopefully immunity from being infected and immunity with the vaccine will be long lasting, otherwise.... not good.

As some potential motivation for the "youngin's":  https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/ohio-state-study-30-of-student-athletes-have-heart-damage-linked-to-covid-19

I am not sure, and the article does not really state, if the damage is long term, or just something that can be treated, or if it may only affect athletes?  Lung and heart disease may(?) be a big (bigger) deal in the future....

aircooled said:

chaparral said:

....Right now with 2/3 of us willing to get the vaccine and 1/10 of us already having had the disease, we should be able to reach herd immunity, but will that continue once we're no longer stacking dead Americans like cordwood?

The massive infections now will clearly help, but as noted, it still represents a very small percentage (heard immunity wise). I don't know.  I have to say.  I am a bit worried about being able to get rid of this thing at this point.  I am very concerned as to the motivation of the 20-40 to want to get the vaccine.  I suspect a very large percentage won't. They are of course one of the suspected primary spreading groups.  Hopefully immunity from being infected and immunity with the vaccine will be long lasting, otherwise.... not good.

As some potential motivation for the "youngin's":  https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/ohio-state-study-30-of-student-athletes-have-heart-damage-linked-to-covid-19

I am not sure, and the article does not really state, if the damage is long term, or just something that can be treated, or if it may only affect athletes?  Lung and heart disease may(?) be a big (bigger) deal in the future....

That Ohio State study is worrying, but not hair on fire. Myocarditis is something that most of us have probably dealt with without knowing it at some point, and is typically not permanent. But we don't have the long term data. 

I would bet that we end up with financial encouragement to take the vaccine in the future, in the form of companies requiring employees to take it, and/or insurance companies having a "Covid Vaccine Denial Surcharge" like they do now for tobacco users (and I would be SHOCKED if that one is not actuarially supported). 

SVreX (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to iansane :

You are right.  It was passive-aggressive.  And that is not cool.

I think some of the conservative voices on this site (including Bobzilla) have felt their views aggressively beat down for months on this issue.  It doesn't excuse being passive-aggressive, but it does explain it.  It's better than aggressive-aggressive.

I've never been subtle or polite. I'm a sledgehammer. I don't do scalpel things well. 

I was under the impression that society/business would not be able to be opened up to what we'll call 2019 Normal until the vaccination rate exceeds 80%.

Pretty big berking carrot dangling.

In reply to bobzilla :

And yet you chose to run a Tib at challenge instead of a Panther. 

SVreX (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to iansane :

You are right.  It was passive-aggressive.  And that is not cool.

I think some of the conservative voices on this site (including Bobzilla) have felt their views aggressively beat down for months on this issue.  It doesn't excuse being passive-aggressive, but it does explain it.  It's better than aggressive-aggressive.

I'm going to use this as a topic changing springboard.

I'm every bit as conservative as basically anyone on this site.

I am wearing a mask everywhere, staying away from things which are unnecessary, and will totally get the vaccine as soon as I can.

I do not see the items I typed out above as relating in any way to right/left politics.

Did you guys hear about the study that found that the levels of Mumps anitbodies was inversely related to the strength of the covid symptoms?  https://mbio.asm.org/content/11/6/e02628-20

Considering MMR is given to most americans around age 1 and the antibody response would slowly deteriorate for the remainder of your life, that is certainly interesting to me. (Mumps vaccine became available in 1967 according to wikipedia, so that means 50 y.o. plus probably are much less likely to have ever received it).

Age group and total number of deaths in US involving covid:

barefootskater (Shaun) said:

In reply to bobzilla :

And yet you chose to run a Tib at challenge instead of a Panther. 

Youv've apparently never driven that era of Korean cars aggressively. THey dont' do anything subtle

In reply to Robbie (Forum Supporter) :

That's fascinating.

tuna55 said:

SVreX (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to iansane :

You are right.  It was passive-aggressive.  And that is not cool.

I think some of the conservative voices on this site (including Bobzilla) have felt their views aggressively beat down for months on this issue.  It doesn't excuse being passive-aggressive, but it does explain it.  It's better than aggressive-aggressive.

I'm going to use this as a topic changing springboard.

I'm every bit as conservative as basically anyone on this site.

I am wearing a mask everywhere, staying away from things which are unnecessary, and will totally get the vaccine as soon as I can.

I do not see the items I typed out above as relating in any way to right/left politics.

Tuna, 100% agree here.  I have never voted for an [opposed] liberal (unless you count some Libertarians or Mark Kirk as liberal) in any local or national election before this election (ignoring primaries).

tuna55 said:

SVreX (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to iansane :

You are right.  It was passive-aggressive.  And that is not cool.

I think some of the conservative voices on this site (including Bobzilla) have felt their views aggressively beat down for months on this issue.  It doesn't excuse being passive-aggressive, but it does explain it.  It's better than aggressive-aggressive.

I'm going to use this as a topic changing springboard.

I'm every bit as conservative as basically anyone on this site.

I am wearing a mask everywhere, staying away from things which are unnecessary, and will totally get the vaccine as soon as I can.

I do not see the items I typed out above as relating in any way to right/left politics.

I didn't refer to politics.

I said conservative.  With a small "c".

Bobzilla is part of a group of people who take a conservative view on this, and get jumped on for it.

I couldn't care less about political views on this.  

SVreX (Forum Supporter) said:

tuna55 said:

SVreX (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to iansane :

You are right.  It was passive-aggressive.  And that is not cool.

I think some of the conservative voices on this site (including Bobzilla) have felt their views aggressively beat down for months on this issue.  It doesn't excuse being passive-aggressive, but it does explain it.  It's better than aggressive-aggressive.

I'm going to use this as a topic changing springboard.

I'm every bit as conservative as basically anyone on this site.

I am wearing a mask everywhere, staying away from things which are unnecessary, and will totally get the vaccine as soon as I can.

I do not see the items I typed out above as relating in any way to right/left politics.

I didn't refer to politics.

I said conservative.  With a small "c".

Bobzilla is part of a group of people who take a conservative view on this, and get jumped on for it.

I couldn't care less about political views on this.  

 

 

Pretty sure Tuna's picture is next to the definition of conservative for some dictionaries.

SVreX (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to Robbie (Forum Supporter) :

That's fascinating.

All age groups under 65 COMBINED dont even equal the 65-74 bracket. Its what has been reported in our own state for some time. 80% of deaths have been 65 and older, most with other underlying health issues as well. 

This is not a passive aggressive attack, merely pointing out results in a factual manner. Do not assume this is a trolling response.