Its Windows. Does their E36 M3 EVER work right the first time? Wait and see is what I'll do.
Its Windows. Does their E36 M3 EVER work right the first time? Wait and see is what I'll do.
it's not all MS' fault. Unlike iOS, windows needs to run on a wide range of chips, motherboards, memory types, audio cards, video cards, and numerous HDs.. Some things do not play well with others... and unfortunately, the OS get's blamed.
Now when MS starts breaking their own stuff.. that is a different matter
My issue is not with their compatibility. I dare say IX is just as compatible of not more so in some areas.
It is with their complete lack of security. They continue to bandaid the same core issues over and over again. Until they completely start with a clean slate and build security into the OS from the very beginning, they will always be more susceptible to being BotNET fodder.
neon4891 wrote: Another thing to keep in mind on holding out is one reason for the free upgrade, IIRC, MS is looking to drop support anything older.
Here's Microsoft's policy on the matter:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle
In short, Windows 7 is good until January 2020, and 8.1 is good to January 2023. You need to be on the right service packs to stay in support for this period.
Duke wrote:Nick_Comstock wrote: I'll be switching. I have no issues with 8.1, I actually like it. Hopefully I will like 10 as well.To each his own. I hate 8/8.1. To me it is nothing but 7 with a mediocre interface that is marginally better for some things and notably worse for many others.
I'll be honest. The only thing I use my computer for is to surf the web. The only time I turn it off is when they make me to install and update or something. As long as I can get to the GRM forum I'm perfectly content.
Nick_Comstock wrote:Duke wrote:I'll be honest. The only thing I use my computer for is to surf the web. The only time I turn it off is when they make me to install and update or something. As long as I can get to the GRM forum I'm perfectly content.Nick_Comstock wrote: I'll be switching. I have no issues with 8.1, I actually like it. Hopefully I will like 10 as well.To each his own. I hate 8/8.1. To me it is nothing but 7 with a mediocre interface that is marginally better for some things and notably worse for many others.
So you really just need a Chrome book.
turboswede wrote:Nick_Comstock wrote:So you really just need a Chrome book.Duke wrote:I'll be honest. The only thing I use my computer for is to surf the web. The only time I turn it off is when they make me to install and update or something. As long as I can get to the GRM forum I'm perfectly content.Nick_Comstock wrote: I'll be switching. I have no issues with 8.1, I actually like it. Hopefully I will like 10 as well.To each his own. I hate 8/8.1. To me it is nothing but 7 with a mediocre interface that is marginally better for some things and notably worse for many others.
I wouldn't throw out an existing machine for a Chromebook, but for that usage, they're awesome. Heartily seconded.
HiTempguy wrote: Windows 10 is supposed to be designed for use across a wide-range of devices, so its resource requirements are supposed to have been lowered significantly, which is impressive considering how much less resource intensive win 8/8.1 was over 7.
I'm really hoping that part is true. I have my doubts though, as Windows for years has invariably gobbled up whatever resources you have as far as RAM, preloading everything it thinks you might want to use.
Since it's not the 29th, I haven't run 10 on my system. From what I've read and seen, it doesn't appear to be a ground breaking or earth shatteringly different system from essentially 8 or 8.1. Same basic structure and interface. Yes, there are differences. But a number of the things people complained bitterly about regarding 8/8.1 are still there and appear just as clunky as ever.
I hope to be very pleasantly surprised. But I've enough Microsoft experience to not actually expect that.
Reminder for folk planning to upgrade. Burn the setup discs before you do this. Microsoft is saying very clearly that the upgrade will wipe out the setup sector on the hard drive. So if you haven't burned your discs for reinstallation, you never will be able to once the upgrade has been done.
Nothing is free, with 10 you will be buying into the first phase of the subscription computing scenario MS wants everyone on. At some point you will have to Pay, hardware upgrade, update security, change hardware, add features, etc.
Mike wrote:neon4891 wrote: Another thing to keep in mind on holding out is one reason for the free upgrade, IIRC, MS is looking to drop support anything older.Here's Microsoft's policy on the matter: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle In short, Windows 7 is good until January 2020, and 8.1 is good to January 2023. You need to be on the right service packs to stay in support for this period.
That is good. At this point all of my windows machines are at least 4 years old so I don't think I will have to worry about them being in use in 2020.
foxtrapper wrote:HiTempguy wrote: Windows 10 is supposed to be designed for use across a wide-range of devices, so its resource requirements are supposed to have been lowered significantly, which is impressive considering how much less resource intensive win 8/8.1 was over 7.I'm really hoping that part is true. I have my doubts though, as Windows for years has invariably gobbled up whatever resources you have as far as RAM, preloading everything it thinks you might want to use. Since it's not the 29th, I haven't run 10 on my system. From what I've read and seen, it doesn't appear to be a ground breaking or earth shatteringly different system from essentially 8 or 8.1. Same basic structure and interface. Yes, there are differences. But a number of the things people complained bitterly about regarding 8/8.1 are still there and appear just as clunky as ever. I hope to be very pleasantly surprised. But I've enough Microsoft experience to not actually expect that.
I've been running it in a VM for a short while (I don't like softwaretoo prerelease, but I'm curious.) and the start screen/start menu balance seems to be what it should. I don't think they could have walked the line better for balancing mouse and keyboard UI and tablet UI. I have an 8.1 tablet, and I'll probably upgrade it sooner than not.
I feel like this is an XP or 7, not a Vista or 8.
bentwrench wrote: Nothing is free, with 10 you will be buying into the first phase of the subscription computing scenario MS wants everyone on. At some point you will have to Pay, hardware upgrade, update security, change hardware, add features, etc.
Right, but you could always go back to 7 or 8 with your reinstall disks if you're not happy with the "evil empire"'s doing...
I'm planning on installing it as soon as IT lets me, my primary machine is a work-provided laptop. It looks good from what I've seen.
This is probably hardware dependent, so I'm going to start w/ the hardware configuration:
VirtualBox 5 VM
2 CPU cores @ 75% - physical is Core 2 @ 1.8GHz
2.5 GB of RAM
laptop 5400rpm hard drive
3D acceleration enabled
Installing guest additions crashed it, so this is without guest additions.
Initial Impressions:
Really, it was dog slow in this configuration. It was pretty unresponsive. I suspect that it's really looking for more RAM and/or a SSD drive. Later, I'll migrate it to something with more disk (4 disk mongrel RAID5 setup) and more RAM (up to 6-7GB) and report again.
Note that a similar configuration with 2GB of RAM and 1 core runs Windows 7 just fine.
I'm going to stick with free flashlights and multimeters from Harbor Freight. At least they are actually worth something.
In reply to scardeal:
The lack of guest additions is probably not helping, those make a big difference IME.
I'm running it in a Parallels VM on my Mac Pro, seems to working OK and be about as performant as the Win7 VM on the same machine.
scardeal wrote: This is probably hardware dependent, so I'm going to start w/ the hardware configuration: VirtualBox 5 VM 2 CPU cores @ 75% - physical is Core 2 @ 1.8GHz 2.5 GB of RAM laptop 5400rpm hard drive 3D acceleration enabled Installing guest additions crashed it, so this is without guest additions. Initial Impressions: Really, it was dog slow in this configuration. It was pretty unresponsive. I suspect that it's really looking for more RAM and/or a SSD drive. Later, I'll migrate it to something with more disk (4 disk mongrel RAID5 setup) and more RAM (up to 6-7GB) and report again. Note that a similar configuration with 2GB of RAM and 1 core runs Windows 7 just fine.
I'm running the guest additions under VB 5. Do you have all the windows 10 updates?
In reply to Mike:
No, I never got to that point. I was so disappointed with its performance that I just checked out. It complained about the guest addition drivers not being signed properly and refused to boot afterwards. I reinstalled it, and it sucked. I'll try going through the updates, set a snapshot, then retry the guest additions.
In reply to scardeal:
It's a little skippy for me. My host is a Macbook in the 1.2GHz/8/512 config, so I am on an SSD. I have 2d acceleration enabled as well as 3d. I think it has 2 GiB memory.
Some stuff, like Cortana animations skip a lot and show lag. Browsing is actually pretty quick. Good luck with it.
Before updates, it would crash whenever I tried signing in with my Microsoft account. It's a lot more stable now.
Now I have a Winbook with 8.something that I don't use as much as I thought I would, that I wouldn't mind a free upgrade to Win10. Is there a way to "make it" get the upgrade? Bought it around Xmas if I remember.
Jerry wrote: Now I have a Winbook with 8.something that I don't use as much as I thought I would, that I wouldn't mind a free upgrade to Win10. Is there a way to "make it" get the upgrade? Bought it around Xmas if I remember.
Fire up the computer and make sure you've got the internet connection. Now go to the Windows update tab/page on your computer. Click it and it will give to the option of getting inline to download the Windows 10 update. Click the yes button and let Microsoft do their thing checking your machines configuration, and in a moment it will tell you you'll be getting it.
It is a web download, so the machine will have to be on and have internet access to get it.
29th is "the" day, and either they are going to actually stagger it somehow, or the internet is going to crash. I don't see the servers handling the traffic load if Microsoft pushes the update world wide at the same time.
It's a phased rollout starting on the 29th. "Windows Insiders" who have been testing are in the front of the line, and OEMs will have a few systems at launch. Next will be people who reserved using the upgrade app that went to eligible systems last month. Then everyone else. Delays will happen for folks whose upgrade app determines will have a bad time.
Supposedly.
In reply to foxtrapper:
I tried that, at least thru the Update "tab", box, whatever it's called. (Not liking 8 even on the tablet). It seemed to be trying to download a lot of various patches but didn't give me the same notice the desktop did. I'll try again this weekend.
Ok, wonder if anyone who said yes to the upgrade has check on the status (the one that goes with the little white windows symbol.
My computer has an issue, apparently.
It's telling me that my Boradcom Virtual Wireless Adaptor is not compatible with Win10. Since I'm working with 7 and not 8, the MS forums don't have a solution. The Dell forums tell you basically "we'll see on the 29th".
Not sure how this is going to go, but I'm not really connected to this computer- so maybe it means I get a new one. Did the back up already.
I guess, we'll see.
Jerry wrote: Now I have a Winbook with 8.something that I don't use as much as I thought I would, that I wouldn't mind a free upgrade to Win10. Is there a way to "make it" get the upgrade? Bought it around Xmas if I remember.
I'm curious how to do this as well. I'm using Win 7 x64 Pro on a desktop. It more than meets my needs, but I wouldn't mind trying something new.
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