Donald Trump is a frizzy haired tool.

In reply to Tom_Spangler:

People said America would never have a black president, now you've had two!

Tom_Spangler wrote:

bravenrace wrote: ..As if any of those other bozos are any better. Sheez.

Literally anyone would be better, including the rest of the idiots running.

I'm not a supporter or Trump or anyone else at this point, but I don't agree that anyone else would be better. I am convinced that EVERY career politician running for Pres is corrupt, and has their hand in the pockets of all kind of lobbyists and special interests. The only way to help this country is to get a non-politician in office.

Wally wrote: Does anyone really believe he could do a worse job than Hillary or Jeb!

Yeah I honestly think he's the worst of the candidates so far. I think anyone else would be massively better, except Carly Fiorina or Ben Carson who would be almost as bad

Trump can't speak without insulting people and acting like a crass freak. He's a white trash vision of what rich looks like in America today. To think a guy that's gone through bankruptcy that many times and somehow has the audacity to say that he's a proven leader again makes me worry about the direction of this country. I'm not a big fan of Hillary but good lord I find this sort of "Who cares they're all equally bad" talk insane.

Wally wrote: I'm happy he's running and I hope he wins. We already have about 20 piles of debris spouting similar lines on both sides. At least on idiot knows how to entertain. We've pretended to elect resposible adults long enough. Lets give bat E36 M3 crazy a shot.

This. I don't like the guy's platform or his 'birther' beliefs etc. but a Trump presidency would scare the average person so badly that they'd pay much more attention to what's going on.

Scary to think if Hillary was the nominee and he ran against her, he'd probably win. Think about it, she voted to go to war with Iraq. She is also white, old and rich....kinda symbolic of the GOP.

pres589 wrote: To think a guy that's gone through bankruptcy that many times and somehow has the audacity to say that he's a proven leader again makes me worry about the direction of this country.

He's blind to his own failure and honestly believes that he's totally awesome. See also: Carly Fiorina.

pres589 wrote: Obama can't speak without insulting people and acting like a crass freak. He's a half-white trash version of what rich looks like in America today. To think a guy who's lied to the American people that many times and somehow has the audacity to say that he's a proven leader again makes me worry about the direction of this country.

FTFY

GameboyRMH wrote:

pres589 wrote: To think a guy that's gone through bankruptcy that many times and somehow has the audacity to say that he's a proven leader again makes me worry about the direction of this country.

He's blind to his own failure and honestly believes that he's totally awesome. See also: Carly Fiorina.

What failure do you speak of?

bravenrace wrote: What failure do you speak of?

Don't know which you're referring to...so, Donald Trump has the financial history of a crackhead, only on a much larger scale:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2011/04/29/fourth-times-a-charm-how-donald-trump-made-bankruptcy-work-for-him/

Seems he's between bankruptcies at the moment.

Carly Fiorina is most famous for running HP clean into the ground:

http://time.com/3845767/carly-fiorina-hp/

Being Canadian is kinda like being the nice family that lives in the apartment over the biker bar. Or a Siamese twin with a psychotic sibling. Never a dull moment.

As to the Trump...he is certainly a special person. Living proof that the people who rise to power are really the ones that should not. It is one of humanities greatest ironies.

Canada is America's drinking buddy.

We're that friend that has to call everyone in the morning and tell them "He's not really like that most of the time, it's just when he gets a few drinks in him, he gets a little rowdy. Sorry about the rug."

Just kidding..

GameboyRMH wrote:

bravenrace wrote: What failure do you speak of?

Don't know which you're referring to...so, Donald Trump has the financial history of a crackhead, only on a much larger scale: http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2011/04/29/fourth-times-a-charm-how-donald-trump-made-bankruptcy-work-for-him/ Seems he's between bankruptcies at the moment. Carly Fiorina is most famous for running HP clean into the ground: http://time.com/3845767/carly-fiorina-hp/

Do you know of anyone who is as rich as him that hasn't had any failures?

I'll say that he is indeed white trash rich. He's as crazy as Ross Perot and stands about as much chance of getting elected.

I'm with Wally though, I think it'd be hilarious if President Trump 2016 happened. I've given up hope things will ever get better so it might as well be an entertaining slide to the bottom.

In reply to KyAllroad:

I think His chances are better than Perot. The country hadn't completely lost it's mind at that point and he had two reasonable candidates running against him. Hillary is no Bill and on the Republican side Nobody really looks much better than Trump.

Our Canadian friends shouldn't worry too much. Canada's most famous leader thinks Donald will make a fine leader.

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/06/17/donald-trump-very-good-candidate-rob-ford-says

Former Toronto mayor Rob Ford heard all the negative comments about Donald Trump’s announced presidential bid.

“A lot of the media were taking shots at him and making it out to be a joke but in the end it will be them who will be surprised,” said the current councillor in a short conversation Wednesday. “They can laugh all they want but Mr. Trump is a very successful man and a very good candidate for president.”

He knows this, Ford said, because he has been through it himself.

“Very few thought I would win the mayor’s race in 2010 and they were wrong,” said Ford, who is currently recovering from cancer surgery.

A lot of so called political experts had to eat their words then and may have to again with Trump in 2016, he said.

“People have said Donald Trump can’t do a lot of things and they underestimated him,” said Ford. “The thing with Mr. Trump is he has the business background but more importantly he connects with people. That is what is most important in politics.”

bravenrace wrote:

Tom_Spangler wrote:

bravenrace wrote: ..As if any of those other bozos are any better. Sheez.

Literally anyone would be better, including the rest of the idiots running.

I'm not a supporter or Trump or anyone else at this point, but I don't agree that anyone else would be better. I am convinced that EVERY career politician running for Pres is corrupt, and has their hand in the pockets of all kind of lobbyists and special interests. The only way to help this country is to get a non-politician in office.

Totally agreed about the corruption of the other candidates, but what makes you think Trump is any better? Because he's not a "politician"? GMAFB. Just because he's never held public office, that doesn't mean he's squeaky clean.

bravenrace wrote:

GameboyRMH wrote:

bravenrace wrote: What failure do you speak of?

Don't know which you're referring to...so, Donald Trump has the financial history of a crackhead, only on a much larger scale: http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2011/04/29/fourth-times-a-charm-how-donald-trump-made-bankruptcy-work-for-him/ Seems he's between bankruptcies at the moment. Carly Fiorina is most famous for running HP clean into the ground: http://time.com/3845767/carly-fiorina-hp/

Do you know of anyone who is as rich as him that hasn't had any failures?

So your answer to that is "nobody's perfect"?

If this guy was a poor student (especially if the bankruptcies were get-out-of-debt free ploys) everyone would call him a failure and a no-good moocher. But when he does the same things with 8+ digits instead of 5 or 5/6 it's A-OK?

I'm certainly a lot more financially responsible than Donald Trump and I have a better work history than Carly Fiorina. Us little people don't get forgiven for such mistakes.

In reply to GameboyRMH:

Uh, right.

bravenrace wrote: Do you know of anyone who is as rich as him that hasn't had any failures?

I know of quite a few people much richer that haven't declared bankruptcy once, much less four times. Gates, Buffett, Allen, Walton, Ellison, Koch, Soros, Dell, Menard, Ross, the list goes on and on. And yes, I know he didn't declare personal bankruptcy. He just ran his companies into the ground and they did. Much better.

Tom_Spangler wrote:

bravenrace wrote:

Tom_Spangler wrote:

bravenrace wrote: ..As if any of those other bozos are any better. Sheez.

Literally anyone would be better, including the rest of the idiots running.

I'm not a supporter or Trump or anyone else at this point, but I don't agree that anyone else would be better. I am convinced that EVERY career politician running for Pres is corrupt, and has their hand in the pockets of all kind of lobbyists and special interests. The only way to help this country is to get a non-politician in office.

Totally agreed about the corruption of the other candidates, but what makes you think Trump is any better? Because he's not a "politician"? GMAFB. Just because he's never held public office, that doesn't mean he's squeaky clean.

I didn't say he was any better.

Tom_Spangler wrote:

bravenrace wrote: Do you know of anyone who is as rich as him that hasn't had any failures?

I know of quite a few people much richer that haven't declared bankruptcy once, much less four times. Gates, Buffett, Allen, Walton, Ellison, Koch, Soros, Dell, Menard, Ross, the list goes on and on. And yes, I know *he* didn't declare personal bankruptcy. He just ran his companies into the ground and they did. Much better.

Again I have to clarify what I said and what I didn't. I never said bankruptcy, I said failures. My point is that NOBODY gets to where Trump or any of the people you mentioned is without failures, and they don't do it by being stupid or crazy. Saying a multi-billionaire is a financial failure is ridiculous.

None of those people are running for president. Of the bag of turds we're being handed He may be the one that stinks the least.

My heading was a bit trollish but I was honestly interested to see what you all thought of the guy. He comes across as vain, shallow, arrogant and honestly not too bright, but I have to weigh that against the fact that he has built fortunes numerous times so there has to be more going on there than meets the eye.. Or can making money be done in the complete absence of any other skillset?

bravenrace wrote:

Tom_Spangler wrote:

bravenrace wrote: Do you know of anyone who is as rich as him that hasn't had any failures?

I know of quite a few people much richer that haven't declared bankruptcy once, much less four times. Gates, Buffett, Allen, Walton, Ellison, Koch, Soros, Dell, Menard, Ross, the list goes on and on. And yes, I know *he* didn't declare personal bankruptcy. He just ran his companies into the ground and they did. Much better.

Again I have to clarify what I said and what I didn't. I never said bankruptcy, I said failures. My point is that NOBODY gets to where Trump or any of the people you mentioned is without failures, and they don't do it by being stupid or crazy. Saying a multi-billionaire is a financial failure is ridiculous.

I know what you said, and I agree you don't get to be mega-rich without a few failures along the way. But there are failures, and there are failures. Running companies into bankruptcy four different times over a span of 20 years is a pretty consistent record of failure. Yes, he's been successful more often than he's failed, but I gave you a list of people a whole lot richer than he his who have failed a lot less than him. I answered your question.

Bottom line is that his whole campaign is based on his business success. And while he has been successful, his record is a lot more checkered than he'd like you to believe. He also lies about his net worth. If the reason we are supposed to vote for him is his business acumen, isn't it fair to question that?

None of those people are running for president. Of the bag of turds we're being handed He may be the one that stinks the least.

Well, none of the other turds to be from the free-trade and small government party but want to impose a 35% tariff on cars imported from Mexico. None of them are unrepentant birthers. None of them said this:

The Donald said: “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best,” Trump said. “They’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.”

I would submit that the least stinky candidate is Rand Paul, but that's a debate for another thread.