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Driven5
Driven5 PowerDork
4/9/24 11:34 a.m.
bobzilla said:

I've used welding helmets for a very very long time to look at partial eclipses. Mines a 12. Works fine except I left it at home for the wife who refused to use it because the news told her it wasn't safe. 

Sounds like she either just read the headlines, or read an article regurgitated from somebody who didn't read much further than the headlines of another article. 

According to NASA: Shade 12 is the lowest recommended shade to avoid eye damage while viewing a solar eclipse, but some people in some locations may still find that too bright. At that point, I'd wonder if a pair of sunglasses under it might be enough to make the difference. On the other hand, they actually acknowledge that some people in some locations may also find shade 14 too dim. They seem to think 13 is probably the best bet for a single shade, but note that it is also less commonly available.

My AD helmet does happen to go to 13, has a 'test' mode that allows me to force it dark even if max sensitivity isn't enough, and has been used on multiple partial eclipses to great effect even at less than full darkness depending on circumstances. It's nice being able to maximize viewing potential by dialing it in to account for other factors like the suns angle and light cloud cover, so that it's neither too dark nor too bright... Just like with welding. I also learned in my youth that sliding a 3.5 floppy open and looking through the internal disk also worked surprisingly well.

Unlike our hearing, which can easily be damaged by sound levels below the physical discomfort threshold, as long as your eyes are not experiencing physical discomfort, they are generally not being damaged by the brightness.

Toyman!
Toyman! MegaDork
4/9/24 12:23 p.m.

In reply to Driven5 :

A friend of mine used their AD welding helmet to view it. She was seeing spots for several hours after viewing it. 

 

Driven5
Driven5 PowerDork
4/9/24 1:53 p.m.

In reply to Toyman! :

So the symptoms went away during the first 24 hours, rather than persisted beyond or got worse? Then everything I can find indicates that no long-term damage was done to her eyes by this event. There are too many unknowns and variables in your statement to draw any other meaningful inferences from it though.

Toyman!
Toyman! MegaDork
4/9/24 2:11 p.m.

In reply to Driven5 :

I'm pretty sure if you are seeing spots for an hour or two after looking at the sun through your welding hood, you probably shouldn't be using your welding hood to look at the sun. Permanent damage may not happen instantly but it will happen if you keep staring at it.

Of all my senses, I value my eyes the most and I'm not going to take any chances when a set of glasses to stare at the sun were free money. 

 

You do you, I'm good either way. 

 

 

Driven5
Driven5 PowerDork
4/9/24 2:41 p.m.

In reply to Toyman! :

Correlation does not imply causation. I agree that something was still amiss in her poorly defined anecdotal situation, but to extend that with the implication that viewing an eclipse through a correctly setup welding helmet is inherently any less safe for your eyes than through (easily counterfeit) paper and plastic film 'solar glasses' is simply a logical fallacy that ignores the science behind behind it.

Of all my senses, I value my eyes the most and I'm not going to take any chances when a properly used and functioning welding helmet set to stare at the sun was free money. 

Toyman!
Toyman! MegaDork
4/9/24 5:42 p.m.

In reply to Driven5 :

You win. 

One more response and you can even have the last word. 

 

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
4/9/24 6:53 p.m.

And time for a timeout. 

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