Dr. Suicide has died. Guess how....

Nope, not from suicide apparently.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/03/jack-kevorkian-dead-dies_n_870791.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk1%7C67909

But I haven't used my gift certificate yet

LMFAO ^ this

Hopefully now that he has passed.. the issue will not go away. If I can put my pets down peacefully, how come I can't go the same way?

mad_machine wrote: Hopefully now that he has passed.. the issue will not go away. If I can put my pets down peacefully, how come I can't go the same way?

Obviously because God's plan for you is to spend your last days drifting in and out of horribly painful consciousness hooked up to a bunch of machines in a hospital room. I'm not sure why, but we can never truly know his ways.

Many of those who used Kervorkian's "services" were in great pain, in spite or even because of their medications/diseases. Even though they may been alive, they had no quality in their lives.

Under those circumstances, keeping someone alive seems as much a moral dilemma as assisting with their peaceful and painless death.

oldsaw wrote: Many of those who used Kervorkian's "services" were in great pain, in spite or even because of their medications/diseases. Even though they may been alive, they had no quality in their lives. Under those circumstances, keeping someone alive seems as much a moral dilemma as assisting with their peaceful and painless death.

Yah. Giving terminally ill people control over their destiny is absolutely the right thing to do, regardless of what you think about the choices they make. It's about letting people have some damn dignity at the end of their lives.

I think it's insulting to say I can compassionately euthanize my pet but not help another human being. My pet can't tell me how much pain they're in, a terminally ill person can.

ppddppdd wrote:

oldsaw wrote: Many of those who used Kervorkian's "services" were in great pain, in spite or even because of their medications/diseases. Even though they may been alive, they had no quality in their lives. Under those circumstances, keeping someone alive seems as much a moral dilemma as assisting with their peaceful and painless death.

Yah. Giving terminally ill people control over their destiny is absolutely the right thing to do, regardless of what you think about the choices they make. It's about letting people have some damn dignity at the end of their lives.

Right on. If im ever in a state like that, load my walther, take me someplace beautiful, and I'll figure out the rest.

I had coffee with kevorkian once.

Joey

joey48442 wrote: Right on. If im ever in a state like that, load my walther, take me someplace beautiful, and I'll figure out the rest....

I agree with the sentiment, but what you say there is a big reason why we need a standardized way of doing this. It sounds simple enough for you, but the bigger issue are the people in your life. Someone has to find you, someone has to clean that up. In your case you are in a grassy meadow somewhere, for most people it would be in their bedroom or bathroom and their wife / husband would be the ones to find them, and maybe clean it up... not good.

Not digging on you, I totally understand, just pointing out that the solution shown is a bad one in many circumstances but is also the easiest one under current law. A shotgun (I know yours is not a shotgun) in the mouth to the brain steam is probably the easiest way out, but also one of the nastiest for others.

I highly respect what Krvorkian has done, his dedication and sacrifice. I am also highly disgusted by those that have opposed him.

Well, I didn't see HIM going with the Rapture.... guess that means assisted suicide for terminally ill is legit.

ppddppdd wrote:

mad_machine wrote: Hopefully now that he has passed.. the issue will not go away. If I can put my pets down peacefully, how come I can't go the same way?

Obviously because God's plan for you is to spend your last days drifting in and out of horribly painful consciousness hooked up to a bunch of machines in a hospital room. I'm not sure why, but we can never truly know his ways.

No one ever seems to realize that hooking someone up to one of those machines would be "against God's plan" as well.

z31maniac wrote: No one ever seems to realize that hooking someone up to one of those machines would be "against God's plan" as well.

Hey, if they don't think their god is good with it... don't do it. They just need to keep their god out of other peoples business.

A lot of people just don't want "big government" or "big god" telling them what to do.

Anyone posting on this thread should watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJwXNyAkM6E
It was hard to watch, but VERY powerful.

In reply to aircooled:

I fall into that camp as well!

i thought he was still in prison, so i was going to guess "death by mutonga" (it's an old joke, don't feel bad if you don't get it)

AngryCorvair wrote: i thought he was still in prison, so i was going to guess "death by mutonga" (it's an old joke, don't feel bad if you don't get it)

We used to call it "bunda", but I'm guessing it was maybe a different tribe of savages.

aircooled wrote:

joey48442 wrote: Right on. If im ever in a state like that, load my walther, take me someplace beautiful, and I'll figure out the rest....

I agree with the sentiment, but what you say there is a big reason why we need a standardized way of doing this. It sounds simple enough for you, but the bigger issue are the people in your life. Someone has to find you, someone has to clean that up. In your case you are in a grassy meadow somewhere, for most people it would be in their bedroom or bathroom and their wife / husband would be the ones to find them, and maybe clean it up... not good. Not digging on you, I totally understand, just pointing out that the solution shown is a bad one in many circumstances but is also the easiest one under current law. A shotgun (I know yours is not a shotgun) in the mouth to the brain steam is probably the easiest way out, but also one of the nastiest for others. I highly respect what Krvorkian has done, his dedication and sacrifice. I am also highly disgusted by those that have opposed him.

That was mostly sarcasm... I dont plan to ever end it all. But I do agree with your opinions.

Joey

ppddppdd wrote:

oldsaw wrote: Many of those who used Kervorkian's "services" were in great pain, in spite or even because of their medications/diseases. Even though they may been alive, they had no quality in their lives. Under those circumstances, keeping someone alive seems as much a moral dilemma as assisting with their peaceful and painless death.

Yah. Giving terminally ill people control over their destiny is absolutely the right thing to do, regardless of what you think about the choices they make. It's about letting people have some damn dignity at the end of their lives.

Agreed wholehardedly. But, one of Dr. K's problems was that some of the people were only diagnosed with a terminal condition (ie ALS) and were no where near the end when they pulled the plug. But woe be it to me to try to say when its time.