Ecclestone comment

Sorry if repost http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor/formula1/2009-07-04-ecclestone-comment_N.htm

I find humor in how riled up people get at the mere mention of Hitler.

Is it any worse than the comment about Mussolini keeping the trains on time. I liked the woman in white comment, and paraphrased it while my sister was looking at wedding dresses.

Time for that stupid berkeleyer and his sidekick Mosley to go. Aside from ruining a great sport, both appear to fetishize the Nazis, which isn't cool.

Clearly delusional, he should go. And give the money back while he is at it.

ReverendDexter wrote: I find humor in how riled up people get at the mere mention of Hitler.

No kidding.

He's right. Hitler did get things done. If he didn't, people wouldn't hate him the way they do.

The dressed in white comment is too funny. Sounds like my kind of guy

Its one hell of a comment, that is for sure...

But you know, its 100 accurate. Anytime emotions are involved people simply cannot take things at face value. Just because Hitler was a giant shiny happy person doesn't mean he wasn't good at getting his way. Hell, how irrational was most of Hitlers message and he STILL had people eating it up. But people hate the guy so no one is willing to admit that Hitler was pretty good at what he did...

now hes saying it was "a misundrstanding", well i think Bernie is "a misunderstanding"...

I'm not fired up by the Hitler reference at all, but Ecclestone sure is a dick.

Duke wrote: I'm not fired up by the Hitler reference at all, but Ecclestone sure is a dick.

+1

Ecclestone thinks a dictatorship is the only form of leadership that can work and Mosley literally has a hardon for abusive domination.

Exactly the kind of people you don't want in a leadership position.

And exactly the type that usually end up in leadership positions.

Duke wrote: ...Ecclestone sure is a dick.

That's an insult to all the dicks in the world.

there are so many good quotes in both this thread and the article, Im not sure where to start...so I wont

my .02:

Hitler - Crappy ideals, awesome ethic... terrible guy, efficient leader

Ecclestone - wierd...thats all

RedS13Coupe wrote: Its one hell of a comment, that is for sure... But you know, its 100 accurate. Anytime emotions are involved people simply cannot take things at face value. Just because Hitler was a giant shiny happy person doesn't mean he wasn't good at getting his way. Hell, how irrational was most of Hitlers message and he STILL had people eating it up. But people hate the guy so no one is willing to admit that Hitler was pretty good at what he did...

But given that what Hitler did was engage in genocide I think saying "Hitler was pretty good at what he did" is sort of an inappropriate statement at best and at worst wildly offensive.

But as for Ecclestone, that little troll needs to be gone for any variety of reasons.

ReverendDexter wrote: I find humor in how riled up people get at the mere mention of Hitler.

What if he said "Man, that Osama Bin Laden and his comrades sure knows efficiency. We should learn from their tactics." Would that hit a bit closer to home?

You know guys, Max won't be happy about this since he's been trying to avoid any Hitler references for years.

Old Max is the son of wartime British fascist leader Oswald Mosley, who married Max's mother Diana in the presence of Adolf Hitler at a ceremony in the home of Nazi arch-propagandist Joseph Goebbels.

MitchellC wrote:

ReverendDexter wrote: I find humor in how riled up people get at the mere mention of Hitler.

What if he said "Man, that Osama Bin Laden and his comrades sure knows efficiency. We should learn from their tactics." Would that hit a bit closer to home?

should we not learn from their efficiencies and apply that knowledge ...hate to sound cheesy...for good rather than evil? Perhaps we should just blind ourselves to our enemies strengths and wander in the dark with our hands out in front of us hoping that "our stronger moral fortitude will get us through". Sounds kinda like religious radicals who refuse to utilize a hospital when gravely ill because "God will get them through".

aeronca65t wrote: Old Max is the son of wartime British fascist leader Oswald Mosley, who married Max's mother Diana in the presence of Adolf Hitler at a ceremony in the home of Nazi arch-propagandist Joseph Goebbels.

I didn't know that. Now the big picture is becoming a little clearer.

4cylndrfury wrote:

MitchellC wrote:

ReverendDexter wrote: I find humor in how riled up people get at the mere mention of Hitler.

What if he said "Man, that Osama Bin Laden and his comrades sure knows efficiency. We should learn from their tactics." Would that hit a bit closer to home?

should we not learn from their efficiencies and apply that knowledge ...hate to sound cheesy...for good rather than evil? Perhaps we should just blind ourselves to our enemies strengths and wander in the dark with our hands out in front of us hoping that "our stronger moral fortitude will get us through". Sounds kinda like religious radicals who refuse to utilize a hospital when gravely ill because "God will get them through".

That wasn't a really good analogy anyway. It would be more like Bernie Ecclestone saying, "Osama Bin Laden really knows how to deal with foreign governments. He got things done."

touche

Will wrote:

RedS13Coupe wrote: Its one hell of a comment, that is for sure... But you know, its 100 accurate. Anytime emotions are involved people simply cannot take things at face value. Just because Hitler was a giant shiny happy person doesn't mean he wasn't good at getting his way. Hell, how irrational was most of Hitlers message and he STILL had people eating it up. But people hate the guy so no one is willing to admit that Hitler was pretty good at what he did...

But given that what Hitler did was engage in genocide I think saying "Hitler was pretty good at what he did" is sort of an inappropriate statement at best and at worst wildly offensive. But as for Ecclestone, that little troll needs to be gone for any variety of reasons.

I can definitely see where people would take it as offensive, and personally wouldn't make that comment out side of this discussion... But lets face it its true. He was excellent at what he did. He took a wild and unbelievable idea, and convince a nation to do horrible, regrettable things based on it. I don't think any of us could have done that (not that we would want to).

Just because we hate the guy doesn't mean we should all try and pretend he wasn't an efficient leader, and saying that he was skilled at leading people is no where NEAR saying that he used that skill in good ways. Two completely separate thoughts and any line drawn between the two is an emotional knee jerk reaction.

That said, a man in his position should know people would have that reaction and not make such comments. Dumb thing for him to do, even if I get it.

I am a little confused as to why anyone would think a guy that lead his country to utter ruin by badly managing an elective war that lead to the loss all his country's treasure, a generation of it's men, the destruction of all it's industrial base along with most of its infrastructure would be considered an "efficient leader". Suspending the question of morality in regards to Hitler does not make him good at anything. Other than his initial moves to get into power Hitler sucked big time and was ultimately a colossal and total failure. Maybe Bernie can relate?

I guess I just have a problem with using a term like "efficient" to describe the way Hitler came to power. It's a little too clinical and devoid of context--there's just no way anyone sane can sit there with a straight face and say something like "But aside from the Holocaust and WWII Adolf wasn't half bad." It's just not right to praise his "efficiency" when it was that efficiency that led to millions of deaths.

Where was he when Britain was getting the E36 M3 bombed out of it by his hero?

Will wrote: I guess I just have a problem with using a term like "efficient" to describe the way Hitler came to power. It's a little too clinical and devoid of context--there's just no way anyone sane can sit there with a straight face and say something like "But aside from the Holocaust and WWII Adolf wasn't half bad." It's just not right to praise his "efficiency" when it was that efficiency that led to millions of deaths.

Exactly, I am offended by anyone who believes that the attempted extermination of a race to the value of 11 to 17 MILLION souls was efficiency. It was evil, no more no less. Racism in any form is inefficient and this was the most extreme act of racism in the modern world

GameboyRMH wrote:

4cylndrfury wrote:

MitchellC wrote:

ReverendDexter wrote: I find humor in how riled up people get at the mere mention of Hitler.

What if he said "Man, that Osama Bin Laden and his comrades sure knows efficiency. We should learn from their tactics." Would that hit a bit closer to home?

should we not learn from their efficiencies and apply that knowledge ...hate to sound cheesy...for good rather than evil? Perhaps we should just blind ourselves to our enemies strengths and wander in the dark with our hands out in front of us hoping that "our stronger moral fortitude will get us through". Sounds kinda like religious radicals who refuse to utilize a hospital when gravely ill because "God will get them through".

That wasn't a really good analogy anyway. It would be more like Bernie Ecclestone saying, "Osama Bin Laden really knows how to deal with foreign governments. He got things done."

I know i should get my shorts in a wad at the of mention of Bin Laden but I don't. He Masterminded something horrific, and i'm sure I'm wording this wrong, but seperating myself from what happened, it was quite a feat. Do I agree with it? No should he be commended for it? Absolutely not. But that doesn't mean I should go around in a panic because some mentions hs name and what he's done.

Edited for premature posting