electric ciggarettes

OK, as I'm rather ignorant to the world of vaping, do they all have nicotine and other such substances in them?

In reply to Klayfish:

From what I understand, the nicotine levels can vary from a lot to none at all. "Other substances" are somewhat unknown. As mentioned, the regulations for these are minimal right now.

Ian F wrote: In reply to Klayfish: From what I understand, the nicotine levels can vary from a lot to none at all. "Other substances" are somewhat unknown. As mentioned, the regulations for these are minimal right now.

Yep, that's about right. I looked into it as an alternative because you can even go 0 nicotine but there's too little regulation on what the hell is in the liquids.

They are either PG or VG based (propolene glycol or vegetable glycerine) with "flavorings" and optionally nicotine. Yes I've gone as far as investigating how to make my own vape liquid figuring then I could at least know whats in it. But then I thought about what the hell can vaporizing and inhaling propolene glycol (or vegetable glycerine) do to your lungs? Maybe nothing, maybe something worse than cancer....no one knows.

A nice little summary article with more than you really wanted to know http://vaperanks.com/propylene-glycol-vs-vegetable-glycerin-e-liquid-whats-the-difference/

ryanty22 wrote:

wbjones wrote: what's the alcoholics mantra ? one drink is too many, and a thousand aren't enough … same with cigarettes … I'm either a smoker or I'm not … there's no way I can just have one

See, that's something I don't understand. I never had a problem with alcohol, and I used to drink A LOT. Like 300-400 dollar bar tabs just for myself 2 or 3 times a week. And when I wasn't "out" drinking I would sit at home in my chair and kill a bottle of 1800 did that probably 3 or 4 times a week. One day after a couple years I just stopped drinking like that. No fussing or anything just moved right into having 1 or a couple of drinks occasionally. Smokes are a whole different story and harder would be a severe understatement.

that just means you aren't an "alcoholic" … I was a heavy drinker … again not an alcoholic … an alcoholic can't stop once they start back … they are an addict … you/me … not an addict

… as smokers, yes we are addicts … therein lies the difference

wbjones wrote:

ryanty22 wrote:

wbjones wrote: what's the alcoholics mantra ? one drink is too many, and a thousand aren't enough … same with cigarettes … I'm either a smoker or I'm not … there's no way I can just have one

See, that's something I don't understand. I never had a problem with alcohol, and I used to drink A LOT. Like 300-400 dollar bar tabs just for myself 2 or 3 times a week. And when I wasn't "out" drinking I would sit at home in my chair and kill a bottle of 1800 did that probably 3 or 4 times a week. One day after a couple years I just stopped drinking like that. No fussing or anything just moved right into having 1 or a couple of drinks occasionally. Smokes are a whole different story and harder would be a severe understatement.

that just means you aren't an "alcoholic" … I was a heavy drinker … again not an alcoholic … an alcoholic can't stop once they start back … they are an addict … you/me … not an addict … as smokers, yes we are addicts … therein lies the difference

Yeah, I was a massively heavy drinker too, and then ran into some health problems that were exacerbated and caused me additional pain when I drank... so I stopped. I've only been able to drink again for about the last year or so due to finally getting off my ass and doing something about getting healthy enough to spend time with my kid. A side effect of all of that was when I decided to quit smoking, that was it. No hemming, no hawing, I was just...done. It was purely my choice. My wife understood why I did it. While she didn't like it, I'd long since made provisions to make it as acceptable as possible (only smoking outdoors, never letting my kid see it, etc). When I quit, I literally told no one. I just went ahead and did it. (Well I told GRM, the thread is around here somewhere.....) I figured the only way I am going to make this stick is if I do it for my damnself and on my own. I get that some people need support and need to do it in steps, etc. I'm not that guy, I am an all or nothing. It's probably good I've never sampled illicit substances- because I'd be a helluva addict. The point is- no amount of nagging from anyone else is going to make you do it. You just have to want to, and believe you can. Then you take whatever steps you need to get to quit. Then you say, dude, I quit. Then you be awesome!

I remember that thread … how long did it take for your wife to realize you'd quit ? or did you have to finally have to tell her ?

wbjones wrote: I remember that thread … how long did it take for your wife to realize you'd quit ? or did you have to finally have to tell her ?

Took a month and a half. She looked at me and said "you seem to have cut down a lot.... I don't see you going out as much" and I said "that's because I quit like a month and a half ago." She was very confused. It was a testament to how fastidious I was about keeping the smell off me, and how easily I was able to defeat it. Determination is a powerful thing.

mndsm wrote:

wbjones wrote: I remember that thread … how long did it take for your wife to realize you'd quit ? or did you have to finally have to tell her ?

Took a month and a half. She looked at me and said "you seem to have cut down a lot.... I don't see you going out as much" and I said "that's because I quit like a month and a half ago." She was very confused. It was a testament to how fastidious I was about keeping the smell off me, and how easily I was able to defeat it. Determination is a powerful thing.

I did the exact same thing when I quit, told no one, especially the wife. I didn't want cheerleaders, I didn't want the pressure of letting someone else down if I didn't make it. I wanted to do it because I wanted to do it and for no one else. Finally told her after 2 months.

JThw8 wrote:

mndsm wrote:

wbjones wrote: I remember that thread … how long did it take for your wife to realize you'd quit ? or did you have to finally have to tell her ?

Took a month and a half. She looked at me and said "you seem to have cut down a lot.... I don't see you going out as much" and I said "that's because I quit like a month and a half ago." She was very confused. It was a testament to how fastidious I was about keeping the smell off me, and how easily I was able to defeat it. Determination is a powerful thing.

I did the exact same thing when I quit, told no one, especially the wife. I didn't want cheerleaders, I didn't want the pressure of letting someone else down if I didn't make it. I wanted to do it because I wanted to do it and for no one else. Finally told her after 2 months.

Self determination is a powerful thing, innit?

mndsm wrote:

JThw8 wrote:

mndsm wrote:

wbjones wrote: I remember that thread … how long did it take for your wife to realize you'd quit ? or did you have to finally have to tell her ?

Took a month and a half. She looked at me and said "you seem to have cut down a lot.... I don't see you going out as much" and I said "that's because I quit like a month and a half ago." She was very confused. It was a testament to how fastidious I was about keeping the smell off me, and how easily I was able to defeat it. Determination is a powerful thing.

I did the exact same thing when I quit, told no one, especially the wife. I didn't want cheerleaders, I didn't want the pressure of letting someone else down if I didn't make it. I wanted to do it because I wanted to do it and for no one else. Finally told her after 2 months.

Self determination is a powerful thing, innit?

Removing the pressure of living up to anyone elses' expectations actually made things a hell of a lot easier. Early in our relationship my wife asked was going to quit smoking. I told her, and I meant it, when I can go more than a year without someone asking me that question. It only took another 12 years to get to that point.

The point to that comment is that to all those who feel they are doing good by reminding smokers that they should quit...you rarely are. We know its bad, we know all the reasons we shouldn't smoke. By riding us about it you just make us feel like we are giving in to someone else's will by quitting instead of following our own course. Ease up.

Having quit myself, I know and remember first hand the aggravation from well meaning friends and family.

Sometimes it's hard to ease up when we care, ya know? I tell the young kids puffing on weeds at work they should have seen my dad's last days then decide if they really want to smoke. Am I being an shiny happy person? Maybe so. But if just one of them quits IMHO it will have been worth it.