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Nelson Piquet Jr. finished second to Kyle Bush in a Nascar truck race. Just thought every one should know.

In reply to iceracer:

Yea, I saw that. I was glad to see him doing well. Too bad what happened to him in F1. I always pull for open wheel guys when they go to Nascar. One thing's for sure, they are finding it a lot harder to be successful in than the open wheel road racer types in the past did.

I'm not a big Kyle Bush fan but I respect his ability and would love to see what he could do in F1. I doubt it could ever happen though because it's well known that the behind the scenes BS in that realm is hard for a sane person to stand.

Nascar is wrestling except in cars. The outcome is orchestrated. We can't have an F1 driver beating out a Nascar legend.

I guess that's one of the problems with NASCAR .... that Kyle Bush is being considered a legend

I'm just glad that the F1 drivers don't also get to race in the GP2 races and win them all.

Yes, racing is fixed. Cause that's so easy to do...

T.J. wrote: I'm just glad that the F1 drivers don't also get to race in the GP2 races and win them all.

I'm not sure they could! I do wish F1 drivers would compete in other forms of motorsport though!

NASCAR is fixed. That's why Dale Jr has son so many races over the past few years. It's so obvious, but only to non-NASCAR fans.

Or, maybe it's because he's a decent driver in very good equipment.

My dad raced stock cars, motocross, and sports cars while I was growing up. I race with SCCA now. If you think racing at the highest levels can be fixed, you know NOTHING about racing.

racerfink wrote: Yes, racing is fixed. Cause that's so easy to do...

It's not like Nascar is real racing. It's to racing as the TV wrestling is to real wrestling.

If they were fixing the races why would they have the same guy winning championships over and over again. I would think that if you were going to have contrived drama you would fix the outcome so that someone different won every weekend making it wore dramatic. Have the "hero" crashed out of the race by the "villian" and then have some older has been wreck the "villian" and then have "hero"come from the back. Nascar is real racing.

Why does the World Federation of Wrestling of whatever it's called have a predominant winner?

Just as you said, you have to have a hero and a villian so the common winner is the hero, but you have to have someone else win occassionally so people don't get bored.

Nascar is fixed, it's entertainment not racing.

carguy123 wrote: Why does the World Federation of Wrestling of whatever it's called have a predominant winner? Just as you said, you have to have a hero and a villian so the common winner is the hero, but you have to have someone else win occassionally so people don't get bored. Nascar is fixed, it's entertainment not racing.

Based on that logic, F1 is the European WWE/NASCAR.

With Ferrari getting all of the finacial breaks, rules breaks, Schumi winning so many championships, etc.

Makes perfect sense...

Nascar is "fixed" in the sense that tricks like discretionary caution flags are used to bunch-up the fields. If the cars aren't close together on the track, the close racing disappears. Fans like close racing....

An outright conspiracy is a bit ludicrous; there are too many players to keep it secret. Then again, there are those that insist JFK's assassination and the moon landing were conspiracies, too.

Watcha gonna do?

byron12 wrote: Have the "hero" crashed out of the race by the "villian" and then have some older has been wreck the "villian" and then have "hero"come from the back. Nascar is real racing.

That's scripted. It's the next step towards wrestling after fixed. Not arguing whether NASCAR is or isn't just that that level of predeterminedness is not necessary to be considered fixed by many.

Dale Jr. won a lot of races ? Maybe in the Busch series, not so in the Cup races.

iceracer wrote: Dale Jr. won a lot of races ? Maybe in the Busch series, not so in the Cup races.

I believe there was some sarcasm. Jr is suffering from Kyle Petty syndrome.

I'd be more inclined to call it the Peter Principle at it's finest

is it really that difficult to believe that the driver (drivers) that NASCAR wants to win (or run up front) could be given a special part that makes his car 1% better than anyone elses?

The cars are, after all, exactly the frikkin same! not like there is actually any development going on that could apply to real cars.

There's NO WAY you can fix an auto race. There's too many things that can go wrong, and WAY too many people for it to stay a secret.

carguy123 wrote:

racerfink wrote: Yes, racing is fixed. Cause that's so easy to do...

It's not like Nascar is real racing. It's to racing as the TV wrestling is to real wrestling.

Yeah I hear some people with tattoos work there too. I'll never watch it.

I am on the side that says NASCAR turns a blind eye on the cheating, so long as its the "good guys" doing the cheating.

The Woods Bros. had Bill Elliot driving for them at one point, and went FOREVER without a win. Until some kid that nobody ever heard of went and got them the Daytona 500 this year.

Now tell me how one of the most popular teams around, and most definitely "good guys", with a guy who won the Most Popular Driver Award SEVERAL YEARS IN A ROW, doesn't get a win if NASCAR allows cheating?

Well they sure have fined the E36 M3 out jimmie johnson in recent years for cheating; suspended his crew cheif etc. cautions to bunch the field and so forth are nothing new and have been going on in various levels of auto racing for as long as auto racing has existed. I think the could have picked a more popular driver to be the "hero" if they were fixing the races.

While there may be no way you can fix an auto race, if it's not really a race then you can pretty well do whatever you want.

F1 just has some dumb rules, rather than outright scripting.

I can't believe anyone truly believes Nascar is real racing anymore. Same hype about main characters as wrestling. Same hype about cars, same hype about the whole show.

It's scripted with a little more latitude than wrestling cause of the uncertainty factor of more people in the ring at the same time. I'm sure wrecks really ruin their scenarios, but I'll bet they've got contingency plans for #2, #3 & #4 just in case.