Facebook died today.

Javelin (Forum Supporter) said:

Please stay dead, please stay dead, please stay dead...

Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:

68TR250 said:

I had half heard that the whistle blower was going to testify today to congress. That was early this morning and I only half listen to the news that time of the morning.  

Maybe something really came out of the hearing.

FB is still down and the message i got said to wit a few minutes and try again.  Not going to happen.

I think it is probably an inside job. Lower level employees not agreeing with the ethics of the guys at the top. Employee revolt. 

They knew right where to hit them in multiple areas. Not just shutting down servers but locking the doors where the servers are so they can't get back in to check them. It would be hard for outside hackers to get into so many different systems. 

This will go on for a while and it could happen again and again after they think it is fixed. 

My understanding is the same DNS problems that took out FB also took out the VPN that the doors used for employee authentication.

A problem easily solved with a $30 sledgehammer, but regardless...

Pete. (l33t FS) said:

Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:

68TR250 said:

I had half heard that the whistle blower was going to testify today to congress. That was early this morning and I only half listen to the news that time of the morning.  

Maybe something really came out of the hearing.

FB is still down and the message i got said to wit a few minutes and try again.  Not going to happen.

I think it is probably an inside job. Lower level employees not agreeing with the ethics of the guys at the top. Employee revolt. 

They knew right where to hit them in multiple areas. Not just shutting down servers but locking the doors where the servers are so they can't get back in to check them. It would be hard for outside hackers to get into so many different systems. 

This will go on for a while and it could happen again and again after they think it is fixed. 

My understanding is the same DNS problems that took out FB also took out the VPN that the doors used for employee authentication.

 

A problem easily solved with a $30 sledgehammer, but regardless...

So the doors are connected to the internet?? That sounds even worse. 

In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :

It's a great idea until it isn't, you know?  They probably want to monitor who is going where, and when, and be able instantly grant/revoke access to certain areas for certain people.

I am envisioning some employees standing outside a door, considering going to get a $10 crowbar to break down the $500 door so the company wouldn't lose several billion-with-a-B dollars, but not doing it for fear of getting reprimanded for damaging company property.

Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:

Pete. (l33t FS) said:

Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:

68TR250 said:

I had half heard that the whistle blower was going to testify today to congress. That was early this morning and I only half listen to the news that time of the morning.  

Maybe something really came out of the hearing.

FB is still down and the message i got said to wit a few minutes and try again.  Not going to happen.

I think it is probably an inside job. Lower level employees not agreeing with the ethics of the guys at the top. Employee revolt. 

They knew right where to hit them in multiple areas. Not just shutting down servers but locking the doors where the servers are so they can't get back in to check them. It would be hard for outside hackers to get into so many different systems. 

This will go on for a while and it could happen again and again after they think it is fixed. 

My understanding is the same DNS problems that took out FB also took out the VPN that the doors used for employee authentication.

 

A problem easily solved with a $30 sledgehammer, but regardless...

So the doors are connected to the internet?? That sounds even worse. 

Has to authenticate the badge with employee, permissions, time entered, etc. 

Also, seriously doubt it was an inside job. Lower-level employees typically don't have that kind of access to things. 

z31maniac said:

Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:

Pete. (l33t FS) said:

Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:

68TR250 said:

I had half heard that the whistle blower was going to testify today to congress. That was early this morning and I only half listen to the news that time of the morning.  

Maybe something really came out of the hearing.

FB is still down and the message i got said to wit a few minutes and try again.  Not going to happen.

I think it is probably an inside job. Lower level employees not agreeing with the ethics of the guys at the top. Employee revolt. 

They knew right where to hit them in multiple areas. Not just shutting down servers but locking the doors where the servers are so they can't get back in to check them. It would be hard for outside hackers to get into so many different systems. 

This will go on for a while and it could happen again and again after they think it is fixed. 

My understanding is the same DNS problems that took out FB also took out the VPN that the doors used for employee authentication.

 

A problem easily solved with a $30 sledgehammer, but regardless...

So the doors are connected to the internet?? That sounds even worse. 

Has to authenticate the badge with employee, permissions, time entered, etc. 

Also, seriously doubt it was an inside job. Lower-level employees typically don't have that kind of access to things. 

It had something to do with the whistleblower hearing coming up. She was a Product Manager. There could be other managers who aren't happy with the company right now. or technicians, or programmers, or people who have access to all kinds of things. 

Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:

z31maniac said:

Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:

Pete. (l33t FS) said:

Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:

68TR250 said:

I had half heard that the whistle blower was going to testify today to congress. That was early this morning and I only half listen to the news that time of the morning.  

Maybe something really came out of the hearing.

FB is still down and the message i got said to wit a few minutes and try again.  Not going to happen.

I think it is probably an inside job. Lower level employees not agreeing with the ethics of the guys at the top. Employee revolt. 

They knew right where to hit them in multiple areas. Not just shutting down servers but locking the doors where the servers are so they can't get back in to check them. It would be hard for outside hackers to get into so many different systems. 

This will go on for a while and it could happen again and again after they think it is fixed. 

My understanding is the same DNS problems that took out FB also took out the VPN that the doors used for employee authentication.

 

A problem easily solved with a $30 sledgehammer, but regardless...

So the doors are connected to the internet?? That sounds even worse. 

Has to authenticate the badge with employee, permissions, time entered, etc. 

Also, seriously doubt it was an inside job. Lower-level employees typically don't have that kind of access to things. 

It had something to do with the whistleblower hearing coming up. She was a Product Manager. There could be other managers who aren't happy with the company right now. or technicians, or programmers, or people who have access to all kinds of things. 

Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.

Considering some of their other screwups that have caused problems in the past, this was probably an inevitability.  They push out changes with minimal (or no) testing, theoretically only on part of their network, then see if there are any big issues they need to fix before scaling it up.  That mentality was going to lead to a failure like this someday.

In reply to eastsideTim :

Either way it really makes me uncomfortable having my coffeemaker connected to the internet. 

Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to eastsideTim :

Either way it really makes me uncomfortable having my coffeemaker connected to the internet. 

I've been in the tech industry for over twenty years.  None of my appliances are "smart", and I don't have any of the voice-based home assistants.  Quite a few of us are far more wary of that stuff than the average consumer, probably because we see how the sausage is made.

Javelin (Forum Supporter) said:

Please stay dead, please stay dead, please stay dead...

New conspiracy theory - old fb is dead and they just uploaded a clone of it ala Hitchhiker's Guide style.

LOL

eastsideTim said:

Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to eastsideTim :

Either way it really makes me uncomfortable having my coffeemaker connected to the internet. 

I've been in the tech industry for over twenty years.  None of my appliances are "smart", and I don't have any of the voice-based home assistants.  Quite a few of us are far more wary of that stuff than the average consumer, probably because we see how the sausage is made.

Strange how comfortable everyone has become with a wiretap in their house.

FB is back.

In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :

I love my WiFi controlled French press. An automatic plunge after 7 minutes and 02 seconds of steeping as controlled by a temperature sensor setting the timing. 

Pete. (l33t FS) said:

In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :

I am envisioning some employees standing outside a door, considering going to get a $10 crowbar to break down the $500 door so the company wouldn't lose several billion-with-a-B dollars, but not doing it for fear of getting reprimanded for damaging company property.

Not a chance.  Without Facebook they can't order the crowbar from Amazon.

Go to the local store?  Please.

Duke said:

In reply to yupididit :

WhatsApp may well be great. My annoyance is extremely superficial. I think the name is stupid and it seems full of counterfeit certification peddlers.

 

I've been here long enough to know that you superficially hate many things. No need to explain lol

There was bit I saw today how many businesses in other countries rely on Facebook and WhatsApp for running their business (no, I have no idea how).

I saw this posted in relation to the outage:

Pete. (l33t FS) said:

Javelin (Forum Supporter) said:

Please stay dead, please stay dead, please stay dead...

A couple things.  First, from the reports that I've read this wasn't DNS at all, it was a router configuration problem that resulted in withdrawing all of the BGP routes advertising Facebook's IP address space to the rest of the Internet.  Since the DNS servers were inside that address range they became unreachable -- that was the first thing people noticed, but it wasn't (this time) the cause of the problem.

Second Facebook has a whole bunch of different sites in various cities.  I expect they don't replicate the badge database in all of those sites, the building entry system in at least a few locations likely has to go back to a central server across a WAN link.  Probably a private, Facebook-owned WAN link rather than using the Internet, but it's likely that the routing across those links is run using BGP as well, so if the config for the peering with the Internet is berkeleyed then it wouldn't be too surprising if it took down those links too.

But yeah, no Alexa/etc stuff at my house. :)

noddaz said:

Pete. (l33t FS) said:

In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :

I am envisioning some employees standing outside a door, considering going to get a $10 crowbar to break down the $500 door so the company wouldn't lose several billion-with-a-B dollars, but not doing it for fear of getting reprimanded for damaging company property.

Not a chance.  Without Facebook they can't order the crowbar from Amazon.

Go to the local store?  Please.

Crowbars are sysadmin tools event without a resonance cascade. :)

Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to eastsideTim :

Either way it really makes me uncomfortable having my coffeemaker connected to the internet. 

There is/was a Twitter account called "The Internet of E36 M3" that was all about stupid 'net-enabled devices like coffeemakers, refrigerators, and so on.

"Turn on Facebook HAL."

" I'm sorry internet, I'm afraid I can't do that."

In reply to Pete. (l33t FS) :

Also a long running column on the Register.co.uk tech news site.  The remote video camera sex toys story was a heck of a read a few years ago.

https://www.theregister.com/2017/04/04/intimate_adult_toy_fails_penetration_test/