For those who LOVE their infinitely wise and efficient government

I've been trying to renew my go*&^mned berkeleying driver's license online for the last 5 hours. Each time i try, I get the message:

The system is currently busy. Please try again.

After all, why the berkeley should they care whether or not my license gets renewed!? If it doesn't, and I get popped by the cops, it's more revenue for them! And what's the motivation to keep "the system" up and running? They've already got my money. No one is going to get fired for failure to maintain "the system," and it's not like I have the option to "take my business somewhere else." And even if I were to complain, who would I complain to? Some mush-mouth, non-english speaking motherberkeleyer who barely got their "Good Enough Diploma."

I honestly wonder sometimes why I don't just quit working, denounce my citizenship, change my name to Paco Ramirez, pound out some kids, put 'em on welfare, get free medical treatment at the ER, buy a lawnmower and cut grass for $35 cash like I did when I was 12.

AAAAHHHHH Berkeley it. Lemme know how that whole "free" healthcare thing works out for you.

But it's FREE. You don't have to PAY for it. We're gonna get FREE healthcare, FREE food, FREE medicines, FREE housing, FREE water, FREE beer and the best part of it all is it's FREE and we don't have to pay for it.

Americans Deserve Free Healthcare as a Constitutional Right. Just ask Barry.

You ain’t seen no-ting yet.

Did you know Obama is supporting an initiative to publicly disclose the positions individual’s take on union votes.

http://union-yes.blogspot.com/2008/05/barack-obama-in-organized-labors-pocket.html

Obviously, if intimidation and fear of reprisal didn’t influence individual’s actions, there’d be no benefit to making the positions public so the fact that Obama is promoting this is a strong and unambiguous indication of what he’s really about.

I heard Obama kicks puppies and McCain made the baby Jesus cry.

Yes, there is a very strong correlation between a web site working properly and workable health care... Good point.

So, can't get off your lazy rear end to go to the proper department to get it done? How in the world did you survive pre-interent??

Instead of complaining about the line at the department of state, you complain about an iternet site, and that tells you how screwed up your entirte STATE govenment is, which then equals the entire national government...

Since you can't renew your license on line, how in the world are we even able to fight a war in Iraq?????

The war in Iraq is fake. It is being shot on location in California and Mexico and on various soundstages.

Yes, there is a very strong correlation between a web site working properly and workable health care

Sadly, I'm guessing that's the smartest thing you've said all day.

John is right...pay close attention to some of the footage and you'll see a couple of the LEM's landing legs peeking into the shot. This is because they're using the same sound stage as they did for the faked lunar landing and everyone was late to the set because they couldn't get their drivers licenses issued quickly.

He doesn't say which state...I'm guessing either California or Florida, in that order. Why? 2 of the most heavily populated states. My state allowed me to renew the last 2 times by mail, I didn't even need to show up for a pic or send them one, they used the one they had on file (it makes me look like Santa Claus's bas***d brother). I swear, Tn. would give Bin Ladin a license if he showed up the first time for his test, and if not Tn. then Mississippi. Before I got my first license here I was sure (from the way everyone here drives) that driver's licenses came on cereal boxes in this state.

poopshovel wrote:

Yes, there is a very strong correlation between a web site working properly and workable health care

Sadly, I'm guessing that's the smartest thing you've said all day.

Considering the leading post, that, by far, is the smartest thing you've even thought if today.

Touche.

E-

integraguy wrote: He doesn't say which state...I'm guessing either California or Florida, in that order. Why? 2 of the most heavily populated states. My state allowed me to renew the last 2 times by mail, I didn't even need to show up for a pic or send them one, they used the one they had on file (it makes me look like Santa Claus's bas***d brother). I swear, Tn. would give Bin Ladin a license if he showed up the first time for his test, and if not Tn. then Mississippi. Before I got my first license here I was sure (from the way everyone here drives) that driver's licenses came on cereal boxes in this state.

Im guessing Virginia

heh.. last time I was on unemployment, I tried signing on to their website to input the (few) hours I worked.. found out the site was only open from 8 am to 4 pm.. same hours the office was open.

I actually found that a little mind blowing

poopshovel wrote:

Yes, there is a very strong correlation between a web site working properly and workable health care

Sadly, I'm guessing that's the smartest thing you've said all day.

Considering the leading post, that, by far, is the smartest thing you've even thought if today.

Touche.

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Yeah. That probably was the smartest thing I thought "if" yesterday.

Douche'.

And laziness has nothing to do with it. The point is that MY berkeleying tax dollars are paying for a non-existent "service." And if you don't think that the inneficiency of local and state government bureaucracy reflect that of the federal government, you're a fool.

I posted my complaint that I submitted via the "DDS's" website (department of driver "services") on a local forum yesterday. I live in Georgia, BTW.

Here's an interesting response:

"I was actually involved in the RFP that resulted in that system.

{begin history lesson} The state of georgia CIO was a guy named Larry Singer. The final 2 bidders were:

Sun Microsystems, partnering with BEA and I edited out the name of my buddy's company for obvious reasons

We put in 100K worth of man hours to build a good quote, we were sure we would win. In fact, the CIO told us that we had a VERY strong bid. His #1 guy told us privately that our bid was the best by far. BUT...When the results were announced, the award of the $12,000,000 contract went to Sun.

5 months later Larry Singer announced that he was leaving Georgia to become the new vice president of Sun Microsystems. Yep, that's right -- CORRUPTION, alive and well in GA. It never made the newspapers, but it should have. I begged Edited again /i> Legal to pursue it, but I was told. "Everybody has a checkered past, we don't want to open a holy war with another vendor". interesting, eh? Now the system doesn't work.. imagine that.

Again, good luck with your berkeleying "free" healthcare. Lemme know how that works out for you.

alfadriver wrote: Yes, there is a very strong correlation between a web site working properly and workable health care... Good point.

You know, when ever anybody starts to tell me National Health Care is a good idea, I don't even bother repeating the horror stories I've heard from my UK friends.

I just ask them how well they think the national health service is doing taking care of a very small portion of US citizens:

Heard anything good about the Veterans Administration lately? EVER?!

And you want the same thing to be inflicted on all of us?

What did we ever do to you?

Duke wrote:

alfadriver wrote: Yes, there is a very strong correlation between a web site working properly and workable health care... Good point.

You know, when ever anybody starts to tell me National Health Care is a good idea, I don't even bother repeating the horror stories I've heard from my UK friends. I just ask them how well they think the national health service is doing taking care of a very small portion of US citizens: Heard anything good about the Veterans Administration lately? EVER?! And you want the same thing to be inflicted on all of us? What did we ever do to you?

Amen, brother. Maybe we don't have a perfect system but as usual it's better than what's available in all those 'progressive' nations. About the VA: I don't think the problems are so much on the individual provider's level (I know a couple of people who work for the VA and they are very dedicated) but the bureacracy is just, well, amazing. Government agencies tend to wind up more interested in ass covering than anything else, leading to major problems. It's not just in the public sector: The 'ass covering as Job 1' is the same problem we all complain about with the big corporations like GM.

If nationalized health care is ANYTHING like the South Carolina DMV, I want no part of it. For that reason, I say poopshovels' analogy is accurate.

wow.. people are really scared of change.

Jensenman wrote: Maybe we don't have a perfect system but as usual it's better than what's available in all those 'progressive' nations.

Really? Prove it. Have first had experience. I do after getting a sinus infection in the UK. I was taken care of by a great doctor, no waiting, no lines, no nothing... Just come in, yep it's a sinus infection.. you look rough.. here's some drugs.

I work with pleny of brits. Not one has told me that he's had to wait for something that wasn't needed. One guy said he wanted his wisdom teeth out but he was on a waiting list because it wasn't needed, not painful, or anything bad...

poopshovel wrote: The point is that MY berkeleying tax dollars are paying for a non-existent "service."

Gosh, and we spend 10 billion per month in Iraq, that must really piss you off! Somehow, Im just not that worried about the DMV, as I think there has been problems with that since the dawn of time. Or the Dawn of the DMV, at least.

Joey

ignorant wrote: wow.. people are really scared of change.

Not scared of change, just using common sense to some of the comments

carguy123 wrote:

ignorant wrote: wow.. people are really scared of change.

Not scared of change, just using common sense to some of the comments

eh.. you know I've been in some really bad union facilities before and the attitude of the workers on the floor all the way up to top management could be felt... It was a complain a lot do little about it organization... They knew their work was crap, they knew the plant was crap.. didn't want to change though.

Plants in mexico now.

ignorant wrote:

carguy123 wrote:

ignorant wrote: wow.. people are really scared of change.

Not scared of change, just using common sense to some of the comments

eh.. you know I've been in some really bad union facilities before and the attitude of the workers on the floor all the way up to top management could be felt... It was a complain a lot do little about it organization... They knew their work was crap, they knew the plant was crap.. didn't want to change though. Plants in mexico now.

The government has a horrendous record when it comes to managing social programs. What makes you believe it's now capable of administering nationalized health care?

Your "fear of change" mantra is full of holes. By your standards, the TSA must be one of the best organized, staffed and productive endeavors, ever.

That's an example of a "complain a lot, do little about it" organization that isn't going to Mexico anytime, soon or at all.

oldsaw wrote:

ignorant wrote:

carguy123 wrote:

ignorant wrote: wow.. people are really scared of change.

Not scared of change, just using common sense to some of the comments

eh.. you know I've been in some really bad union facilities before and the attitude of the workers on the floor all the way up to top management could be felt... It was a complain a lot do little about it organization... They knew their work was crap, they knew the plant was crap.. didn't want to change though. Plants in mexico now.

The government has a horrendous record when it comes to managing social programs. What makes you believe it's now capable of administering nationalized health care? Your "fear of change" mantra is full of holes. By your standards, the TSA must be one of the best organized, staffed and productive endeavors, ever. That's an example of a "complain a lot, do little about it" organization that isn't going to Mexico anytime, soon or at all.

incorrect. no such thing as a bad change. <-- thats my mantra and I'm sticking to it.

people who like to point out holes and do nothing to fix them are t3h lamez..

you need to read http://books.google.com/books?id=YBf3S1X8ItsC&dq=heart+of+change&pg=PP1&ots=Pz_tf2sVpr&sig=LZ5FXCKVX_DOOE0nQIvukE2xn0Q&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result

for more reading.. please read post #2 in http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/off-topic-discussion/is-it-time-for-a-resurrection-of-old-ideals/2159/page1/

I think many if not most of the problems with government come from the fact that a politician feels like they have to do something. They are an inept batch of yahoos. The more they mess, the more they screw it up. So yeah, when it comes to a politician making the change, I'm scared of change.

MrJoshua wrote: I think many if not most of the problems with government come from the fact that a politician feels like they have to do something. They are an inept batch of yahoos. The more they mess, the more they screw it up. So yeah, when it comes to a politician making the change, I'm scared of change.

so we should just say berkeley it, vote for McCain and sit around as we deal with 4 more years of the same E36 M3 that got us where we are? Sorry but I'll take my chances with the "Scarry dark person"

The Health care fiasco is a Republican caused problem? Bah!