NickD
NickD MegaDork
7/23/24 10:15 a.m.

Mohawk, Adirondack & Northern C425 #2453 stubbed her toe up on Griffiss Business Park yesterday and got put in the dirt. I saw something about it on social media, and so I drove up there before work.

Kind of an odd derailment. At first I thought it picked the switch, but the switch was three or four cars back, and none of the cars derailed. The only thing I can think is that maybe it broke a joint bar and rolled the rail. I didn't want to get too close though since there was an MA&N employee already there, walking around and looking things over. Good news is, the #2453 is still upright, so it shouldn't have major damage that retires it.

VolvoHeretic
VolvoHeretic SuperDork
7/23/24 11:30 a.m.

In reply to NickD :

Some kid probably put a penny on the track.smiley

NickD
NickD MegaDork
7/23/24 12:05 p.m.

In reply to VolvoHeretic :

I remember reading a tale of a D&H engineer who was deadheading in the cab on another train and they got somewhere near Afton, I think, and they came around the curve and this engineer riding along sees a guy standing on the tracks. The engineer at the controls doesn't seem to see him or reach, and so the guy riding along reaches over to dump the brakes into emergency and the engineer kind of swats his hand away and goes "No, no, the damn kids keep building snowmen on the tracks as a prank". 

NickD
NickD MegaDork
7/23/24 2:19 p.m.

Facebook brought up some photos I'd never seen before, which were of the GM Train Of Tomorrow on the New York, Ontario & Western in '47. Ironic to think that the Train Of Tomorrow traversed the Railroad With No Tomorrow. By this point, the NYO&W had been in voluntary bankruptcy since '37, and would file for liquidation in 1957, after it became apparent to the trustees that no amount of rebranding, clever slogans and mascots, and EMD power would ever bring the O&W back to profitability.

These photos are at Middletown, NY which was where the O&W had a big station and later moved the company headquarters to after the rent in New York City got to be too much for the beleagured railroad. You can already see how weedy the yard trackage has become, and passenger service will be curtailed from Weehawken to Roscoes the next year, and then dissolved entirely in '53. The train had 4 Pullman-Standard lightweight dome cars, with the final one a round-end observation car, and was pulled by E7A #765. Worth noting that this was, as far as I know, the only time that a six-axle diesel, lightweight passenger cars, dome cars, and a round-end observation car would traverse the O&W. The O&W only owned old heavyweight cars and an open-platform observation car, and it's only diesels were FTs and F3s.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
7/23/24 2:50 p.m.

Another photo of it coming up the Scranton Division, which split off the mainline at Cadosia, NY and ran southwest to Scranton. The Scranton Division was the big moneymaker for the NYO&W when anthracite was king, and the O&W laid this with heavy rail and double-tracked the whole division. From what I can gather, the train came up the Scranton Division from Scranton, then got on the Southern Division at Cadosia and headed southeast, passing through Middletown, and then was handed off somewhere else. If I had to guess, it was likely passed off at Campbell Hall/Maybrook Yard, since six railroads converged there. Details on the exact route of the Train of Tomorrow are scant.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
7/23/24 4:10 p.m.

The Train of Tomorrow was a glimpse at the future of passenger railroading, optimistically buoyed by the record ridership during WWII. Of course by the time it rolled out in '47, ridership was already dropping and by '48, it would be half of the peak in '44. The train consisted of four cars: a chair car (Star Dust), a dining car (Sky View), a sleeper car (Dream Cloud), and a lounge and round-end observation car (Moon Glow), all featuring "Astra-Domes". It was pulled by a EMD E7A #765. Its dining car, Sky View, was the first dome diner to be built and the first diner of any kind with an all-electric kitchen. The train was constructed with low-alloy high-tensile steel and used Thermopane glass for its domes and windows. Although GM never publicly stated the total price of the Train of Tomorrow, contemporary sources estimated it at between $1 million and $1.5 million. All were painted in a sharp dark blue with stainless steel cladding and red accents, designed by none other than Harley Earl.

The Train of Tomorrow embarked on a barnstorming tour of the United States and Canada that was only supposed to be 6 months long but ultimately lasted for 28 months, covered 65,000 miles, and visited 181 cities and towns. During its tour, the train was ridden or toured by over 5.7 million people, and was seen by an estimated 20 million people. Legs of the tour carried movie stars, sports teams, and other celebrities.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
7/23/24 4:11 p.m.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
7/23/24 4:12 p.m.

Even the stair sets to tour it were stylish.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
7/23/24 4:13 p.m.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
7/23/24 4:24 p.m.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
7/23/24 4:26 p.m.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
7/23/24 4:28 p.m.

Interestingly, despite setting out from Chicago first, it wasn't the CB&Q or NYC or PRR or C&O or any of the famous railroads that it traveled first. Instead, it's very first run was down the little Monon from Chicago to French Springs, Indiana, shown here arriving at the French Springs Hotel.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
7/23/24 5:11 p.m.

GM initially intended to sell the Train of the Tomorrow to the highest bidder in 1947, after completing its originally planned six-month tour. On October 17, 1949, EMD general manager Cyrus Osborn received a note that GM ask for $950,000 for the whole train, including the locomotive, as GM was very keen to sell the whole train as a unit, with any amount offered over the asking price being donated to charity. On October 21, Osborn sent a letter to 29 railroad presidents offering them the opportunity to buy the train but wasa rebuffed by all of them Due to the short length of the Train of Tomorrow and its lack of an identical second train, which would be needed to effectively run an overnight service, purchasing the train was not practical for many railroads, many of which also simply did not have enough capital to make such a purchase and also saw the falling ridership in passenger service. While Osborn's letter asked for all bids to be made to EMD by December 1, the train remained unsold by that date.On March 18, 1950, in another internal memorandum to the railroad's executive committee, UP offered purchasing the train for $500,000 and spending another $100,000 on refurbishing it and miscellaneous costs, with the intention of putting it into service between Portland and Seattle. According to internal documents, GM had received a number of bids for the train but was willing to sell it for $500,000, which likely meant that either all the bids were lower or the other bidders were after individual pieces of the equipment but EMD was determined not to sell cars individually.

After taking delivery of the Train of Tomorrow in April 1950, the Union Pacific repainted the exterior of the train in its livery, refurbished the entire interior and mounted a large taillight to the roof of Moon Glow. In May, the train went on a tour of the Union Pacific system with an emphasis on the PNW, as the railroad had already decided that the train would be put into service between Portland and Seattle. On June 18, it began service as part of Train 457, which departed Portland northbound at 8 am and arrived in Seattle at 1:05 pm, laying over there for nearly four hours before departing southbound as Train 458 at 5 pm and arriving in Portland by 9:30 pm. The train was typically three EMD E7 locomotives, an RPO-baggage car, five or six chair cars, a parlor car, a through-sleeper car for the City Of Portland, and then the four dome cars from the Train of Tomorrow together at the rear of the train. In March 1956, the Union Pacific renumbered three of the cars (all but the sleeper Dream Cloud), while in 1959, Moon Glow had its rounded end cut off and squared for use in mid-train service, typically next to the dining car as a convenient place for passengers to wait for a table. In February 1961, dining car Sky View was the first Train of Tomorrow car to be retired, followed by sleeping car Dream Cloud in February 1964, chair car Star Dust in November 1964, and Moon Glow in March 1965, and the E7A was traded into EMD in '65 either to be rebuilt to E9-spec or as trade-in material for an E9. While Star DustDream Cloud, and Sky View were ultimately scrapped in 1964 at McCarty's Scrap Yard in Pocatello, Moon Glow survived. It was eventually moved to Ogden Union Station Museum in 1985, and while there has been talk of restoration in the nearly 40 years since, it is currently a rusting hulk that is missing pretty much everything and would need an estimated $3 million to restore.

 

NickD
NickD MegaDork
7/23/24 5:13 p.m.

The Moon Glow, as it currently looks, and missing it's rounded end after it's 1959 alteration.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
7/24/24 2:13 p.m.

Swung back up by Griffiss on lunch, and the #2453 was back on her own two feet and moved down by the site of the old Adirondack Railroad Rome shops. MoW crews were hard at work replacing the section of rail she derailed on, and the #2456 was working the yard in the distance. The dark blue center cab behind it is ex-US Air Force GE 80-Tonner #1670, an odd non-Alco outlier on the Genesee Valley Transportation roster. That used to be used to switch the industries at Griffiss, after the big Alcos would bring the stuff from Utica, and I once, and just once) caught it on the west end of Rome grabbing cars at Worthington Industries. But it really doesn't move much at all, if ever these days, since MA&N has pretty heavily refurbished the tracks up to Griffiss. I'm kind of surprised they just haven't moved this out to Utica to work the yard there, rather than attempt to revive the old Lowville & Beaver River 44-tonner.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
7/24/24 4:20 p.m.

The #2456 went up to Tupper Lake and back last weekend. Mr. Railroad got Rambler caught it headed all the way up in a really bizarre lashup that surely displeased the engineeer. For whatever reason, it and the #3573 were hooked nose-to-nose, so the engineer had to run long hood forward 108 miles north and 108 miles south. Probably had a sore neck afterwards. I have no clue why they didn't pair the two up back-to-back at Utica.

 

NickD
NickD MegaDork
7/25/24 12:26 p.m.

CSX has continued cranking out their heritage units. 

A month ago, they turned out CSX #1834, in honor of the Georgia Railroad and Banking Company. Kind of an obscure one, with the banking side being considerably more successful than the railroading side. The Georgia Railroad eventually ended up under common management with the Alabama & West Point and the Western Railway of Alabama and it's main competitor was the Central of Georgia. It ended up under ACL control, which then merged with SAL, and then eventually became part of CSX. There's not a ton of traffic on the old Georgia Railroad anymore, with only a single through-train in each direction on the line.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
7/25/24 12:39 p.m.

This week, CSX turned out the Chicago & Eastern Illinois heritage unit, the #1877, wearing the black and white striped freight livery.

The Missouri Pacific actually began purchasing C&EI stocks in 1961, and got approval from the ICC to merge in the C&EI in 1967, but the ICC said that the Evansville-Danville mainline had to be sold to the L&N. The MoPac got the St. Louis-Danville line, and both railroads owned the Danville-Chicago line. Of course, L&N merged into Seaboard Coast Line to become part of Seaboard Systems/Family Lines.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
7/25/24 2:09 p.m.

There's actually still two C&EI diesels operating on Class Is, which is pretty amazing. Especially considering that they are both ex-C&EI GP30s, and the C&EI only had three GP30s to begin with. When C&EI was acquired by the Missouri Pacific, they wanted nothing to do with the three GP30s, since MP/T&P didn't have any GP30s of their own, making them orphans on the roster. Instead, MP decided to sell them to L&N, since L&N had their own pretty large roster of GP30s. Chicago & Eastern Illinois #239 briefly became C&EI #590 as part of a renumbering plan under Missouri Pacific, then became L&N #1058, and after the Family Lines and Seaboard System mergers became Seaboard #1389. After the CSX merger the unit briefly became CSX #4086, but then was sold off as a core for the Burlington Northern "GP39" rebuild program. It was rebuilt by MKRail and emerged as a GP39M, BN #2810, and with the 1995 merger with Santa Fe, the unit became BNSF #2810 as it stands today.

Meanwhile, the #240 became C&EI #591, then L&N #1059, then Seaboard #1390, then CSX #4087 but was traded in towards either SD50s or B36-7s in 1985 and was scrapped.

The third GP30, #241, is the other survivor. It became C&EI #592 post-MoPac buyout, then L&N #106, then Seaboard #1391 and then CSX #4088. In more recent years, CSX gutted it of it's generator and prime mover and rebuilt it into a road slug and renumbered it to #2323.

 

NickD
NickD MegaDork
7/25/24 4:55 p.m.

In addition to the black and white freight livery, C&EI had a pretty sharp tangerine and medium blue passenger livery that their F7s, E7s and BL2s wore.

Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter)
Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
7/25/24 10:26 p.m.

In reply to NickD :

I really like that heritage unit. I had no idea any of their locos survived, let alone are still in service today!

Also I just stumbled upon this basket case doodlebug project. 
 

NickD
NickD MegaDork
7/25/24 10:41 p.m.

In reply to Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter) :

I think the GP30s are really the only road switcher power from C&EI left, because MoPac sold those to L&N, and L&N ran a lot of older stuff. The more standard fare EMD stuff (GP7s, GP9s, GP35s) MoPac held on to and then traded in to EMD and GE

NickD
NickD MegaDork
7/26/24 10:29 a.m.

Gulf coast passenger service is now sounding more certain after one of the council members in Mobile flipped his stance. Originally Mobile would be coughing up $3 million, but now Alabama is contributing $1 million, the Alabama Port Authority is contributing $1 million, and Mobile is only paying $1 million.over three years. The only concern I see: this contract is only good for 3 years and basically the councilman said, after 3 years, Amtrak will have to go elsewhere for money. So it ki d of sounds like kicking the can down the road, and there may be another batch of funding problems in three years that scuttles the whole thing.

https://www.wkrg.com/mobile-county/councilmans-flip-to-support-amtrak-puts-passenger-rail-service-return-within-reach/

Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter)
Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
7/26/24 2:33 p.m.

In reply to NickD :

I saw that too, but I can also understand(and somewhat agree with) it. If the service is a flop, then "oh well, we tried" and it's Amtrak's problem vs. city & state governments being on the hook indefinitely for a service that may never prove popular enough to pay for its self. 

Purple Frog
Purple Frog Dork
7/26/24 4:54 p.m.

City government in Tallahassee seems to be thumbs up for a Gulf Coast Special.

I don't see it myself.  It only takes 7 hours to drive to NOLA and you have your car when you get there.  No great scenery to see.   No luggage restrictions.  No Ubers to get to and from stations.   But, that's just me.  But then again maybe you don't want to park a nice car in NO.

They need a branch line going right up to the doors of the casinos in Biloxi.   wink

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