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pheller
pheller UltimaDork
10/4/20 12:33 p.m.

Living in the southwest, getting anywhere usually mean substantial highway miles. 
 

We're currently in San Diego after driving 500 miles from Flagstaff, and my wife has finally admitted that maybe itd be nice to have something bigger and more powerful than a Honda Fit for such duties.

 

Being that we both work from home, and we've got a cheap Prius for high MPG errand running, we dont need two compact cars. We've got a truck for anything offroad, like camping and hauling, etc. 

 

What we need is:

- Space and Cargo Hauling Capabilities - including coolers, luggage, beach chairs, umbrellas, kids toys, bikes, etc. 

- Interior Length - rear facing car seats are space hungry and impact the ability to get a good driving position in smaller cars.

- Stable high speed handling at 80mph+. Yes, most of highways out here have 75mpg speed limits. Id like something with more Autobahn style handling dynamics, so AWD or RWD would be great. 
 

- Power for mountain passes.

- Good MPG, otherwise we might as well take the truck. Id like 28mpg or better. Hyrbids are ok, Im not gonna complain about 35mpg highway.

 

Budget is under $20k used.

 

Current considerations are: Newer Pacifica/Voyager, Mercedes Metris, Some CrossOver SUVs, Honda Ridgeline, Volvo Wagons. Open to installing lowering springs and good shocks along with wider wheels and tires to achieve desired handling characteristics.

Ruling out: BMW Wagons - not big enough. 

ojannen
ojannen Reader
10/4/20 12:56 p.m.

28 mpg at 80 mph is a big ask.  I think that requirement puts you into hybrid land.  Prius V or Ford C-Max?

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy MegaDork
10/4/20 1:02 p.m.

Figure out exactly what you want, and how often you would use it.  Then calculate the cost of renting said vehicle for the two or six or twelve times a year you would use it.  Balance that against the cost and depreciation on buying.

Might work, might not.

pres589 (djronnebaum)
pres589 (djronnebaum) PowerDork
10/4/20 1:03 p.m.

Ford C-Max would be on my short list to check out first. 

Javelin (Forum Supporter)
Javelin (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
10/4/20 1:51 p.m.

Nothing that big is going to get that kind of mileage.

STM317
STM317 UberDork
10/4/20 1:56 p.m.

Renting does seem like a viable option unless you're doing these trips all the time.

Avalon hybrid or Lexus GS/LS hybrid seems like a really good option for a larger highway cruiser that gets good fuel economy, but as traditional sedans, they aren't going to have tons of space for your stuff like an SUV or van. 

Pacifica Hybrid might be a nice sweet spot, but they aren't cheap yet. But it might get good enough fuel economy around town (being a PHEV with 33 mile electric range) to replace the Prius for daily driving and then fill the 'road tripper' role too.

John Welsh (Moderate Supporter)
John Welsh (Moderate Supporter) Mod Squad
10/4/20 2:47 p.m.

A personal experience... 

I have a Gen2 Prius, 2007. We were traveling 900 miles to Alabama for a family wedding, two kids in car seats. My MIL offered us to take her very new Ford Escape and my wife liked that idea.  Net result, the Escape had less really usable space that the ole Prius. Sample, the front passenger seat of the Escape needed to be a little forward to accommodate a reverse car seat behind it. Not an issue in the older Prius. 

The moral here is, caution on the Ford C-Max, it may not really offer any more space than the Prius you already have. 

John Welsh (Moderate Supporter)
John Welsh (Moderate Supporter) Mod Squad
10/4/20 2:50 p.m.

Our recent choice is a Grand Caravan bought directly from Hertz

dxman92
dxman92 Dork
10/4/20 3:09 p.m.

Subaru Outback, Forester, or VW Golf Wagon or All Road if you want to go the wagon route.

If you have had good luck with the Prius, how about a Prius V?

John Welsh (Moderate Supporter)
John Welsh (Moderate Supporter) Mod Squad
10/4/20 3:41 p.m.

For the real Wagon Queen Family Truckster effect, get the woodgrain kit!

 

"You think you hate it now, but wait till you drive it!" 

 

docwyte
docwyte UberDork
10/4/20 4:06 p.m.

Not sure if it's big enough but our cayenne diesel easily gets 35mpg on the freeway at 80mph.  The touareg diesel is basically the same car but will be less expensive to purchase.  Both absolutely crush freeway driving and can tow 7700lbs.

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
10/4/20 6:20 p.m.
ojannen said:

28 mpg at 80 mph is a big ask.  I think that requirement puts you into hybrid land.  Prius V or Ford C-Max?

Heck, there are 1/2 ton diesel pickups getting better than that these days.  New Silverado duramax is rated at 33 highway.

Infinity Q50 Hybrid should push you close to 30mpg
Lexus GS/RX hybrid closer to 40
Mazda 6 gas should do over 30, E-loop a tad better
E class Bluetec should be well over 30, but they do like to have little important bits fail
Camry/Avalon hybrid close to 40
Jetta TDI wagon
Nissan Rogue hybrid
Highlander hybrid
Lexus NX hybrid
I would consider the Mitsu Outlander plug in, but once you run out of charge you're in the mid-low 20s
Same goes for XC90 plug in, but it stays mid-high 20s after the juice runs out.
I'm not a big fan, but the Merc GLC fits your bill.
 

dj06482 (Forum Supporter)
dj06482 (Forum Supporter) UltraDork
10/4/20 8:44 p.m.

Grand Caravan is the only thing I can think of. Rented one in AZ, drove from Phoenix to the Grand Canyon and back with the 6 of us at 75 MPH and averaged in the high 20s for mileage.

Javelin (Forum Supporter)
Javelin (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
10/4/20 9:07 p.m.

In reply to Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) :

And how many of those are under $20K?

 

Mazdax605
Mazdax605 PowerDork
10/5/20 7:51 a.m.

My go-to highway crusher is the Toyota Sienna. You won't get that sort of fuel mileage, but it will absolutely crush highway miles, be comfortable, and has lots of storage.

ProDarwin
ProDarwin MegaDork
10/5/20 8:04 a.m.

Highlander Hybrid

 

Older one, but I don't hate this:

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
10/5/20 8:10 a.m.

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/816452193/overview/

 

Avalon Hybrid?  big car.. good power...  40mpg?

 

 

mtn (Forum Supporter)
mtn (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
10/5/20 8:23 a.m.
Fueled by Caffeine said:

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/816452193/overview/

 

Avalon Hybrid?  big car.. good power...  40mpg?

 

 

These things are very large indeed. This is probably the best bet. Add a small trailer if it doesn't have enough space, but I can't imagine something would do the job better than this for under $20k.

ProDarwin
ProDarwin MegaDork
10/5/20 8:45 a.m.

Avalon Hybrids are fantastic, but they don't have the cargo capacity the OP is looking for.  They are still just a sedan with a large trunk.  

Note he said BMW wagons are not big enough.

STM317
STM317 UberDork
10/5/20 8:49 a.m.
ProDarwin said:

Highlander Hybrid

 

Older one, but I don't hate this:

This is off topic, but that's really got some strong "Lowered Forester" vibes that I'm pretty ok with. I never realized the styling was all that close until you posted a pic of a lowered one and my brain just said "that's a Forester" until I read your text.

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 MegaDork
10/5/20 9:08 a.m.

2019 and newer Mazda CX-9?

Comfortable, large-ish highway cruiser.  Good balance of size, power, and fuel economy.  Excellent driving dynamics for what it is. 

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
10/5/20 9:30 a.m.
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) said:
ojannen said:

28 mpg at 80 mph is a big ask.  I think that requirement puts you into hybrid land.  Prius V or Ford C-Max?

Heck, there are 1/2 ton diesel pickups getting better than that these days.  New Silverado duramax is rated at 33 highway.

Infinity Q50 Hybrid should push you close to 30mpg
Lexus GS/RX hybrid closer to 40
Mazda 6 gas should do over 30, E-loop a tad better
E class Bluetec should be well over 30, but they do like to have little important bits fail
Camry/Avalon hybrid close to 40
Jetta TDI wagon
Nissan Rogue hybrid
Highlander hybrid
Lexus NX hybrid
I would consider the Mitsu Outlander plug in, but once you run out of charge you're in the mid-low 20s
Same goes for XC90 plug in, but it stays mid-high 20s after the juice runs out.
I'm not a big fan, but the Merc GLC fits your bill.
 

EPA highway test top speed is 60 mph. There is going to be a noticeable drop in fuel economy between doing 60 and doing 80.

ProDarwin
ProDarwin MegaDork
10/5/20 9:48 a.m.
z31maniac said:
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) said:
ojannen said:

28 mpg at 80 mph is a big ask.  I think that requirement puts you into hybrid land.  Prius V or Ford C-Max?

Heck, there are 1/2 ton diesel pickups getting better than that these days.  New Silverado duramax is rated at 33 highway.

Infinity Q50 Hybrid should push you close to 30mpg
Lexus GS/RX hybrid closer to 40
Mazda 6 gas should do over 30, E-loop a tad better
E class Bluetec should be well over 30, but they do like to have little important bits fail
Camry/Avalon hybrid close to 40
Jetta TDI wagon
Nissan Rogue hybrid
Highlander hybrid
Lexus NX hybrid
I would consider the Mitsu Outlander plug in, but once you run out of charge you're in the mid-low 20s
Same goes for XC90 plug in, but it stays mid-high 20s after the juice runs out.
I'm not a big fan, but the Merc GLC fits your bill.
 

EPA highway test top speed is 60 mph. There is going to be a noticeable drop in fuel economy between doing 60 and doing 80.

Going down a rabbit hole here, but the EPA HWFET result is not necessarily th number printed on the window sticker/sales material.

In general most cars I have owned have gotten better mileage at ~80mph straight highway, than their highway rating suggests.  My current DD is rated at 33 on the highway and will knock down 40+ pretty easily at 80mph steady state.  I would not expect a big increase (or any) from a Hybrid, but I would certainly expect most sedans to do very well.

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
10/5/20 10:41 a.m.
93gsxturbo
93gsxturbo SuperDork
10/5/20 12:21 p.m.

GX460.  Gas is cheap.  At $2 a gallon, comfort and reliability trumps anything involving economy.  

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