I wish Ford would take the hint and bring over some of the FPV cars. Typhoon and GT.
I wish Ford would take the hint and bring over some of the FPV cars. Typhoon and GT.
m4ff3w wrote:Curmudgeon wrote: Well. It's about time someone in NA$CAR is basing their tube frame V8 RWD race car on a V8 RWD street car.Hasn't Dodge been doing it for awhile?
Yep, Chargers and Challengers IIRC.
aussiesmg wrote: OK, now who wants to help me come up with a story as to why I just HAVE to have a new ute
Aren't you Australian? Isn't it against the law for an Aussie to not own a 'Ute? 
Javelin wrote:aussiesmg wrote: OK, now who wants to help me come up with a story as to why I just HAVE to have a new uteAren't you Australian? Isn't it against the law for an Aussie to *not* own a 'Ute?
http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm/72-ranchero-zav/42530/page1/
In reply to 93EXCivic:
LMAO!!!! 
In reply to Bobzilla:
Well the problem I see is that they need it to have a name. Not SS, that's a performance package.
Honestly, They should call it the "Chevelle".
Knowing the way things are being named nowadays, it will probably be called the Chevy 112XGD3 Quad-X.
Remember when i came up with the high performance name for this car? The Chevy SS SS.
ShadowSix wrote:SyntheticBlinkerFluid wrote: I think that if this is true, GM needs to be smart about this. Make the sedan to their hearts content, but make the Wagons and Utes in very limited numbers and as the dealers order them, make a little more. The naming needs to be like this: Base Model: Caprice Wagon: Caprice Estate SS: Impala SS Ute: El Camino I like the idea of an Impala SS wagon.I'm with you, except that I don't think there is much cachet in the "Caprice" name (well, outside of the Donk community...), maybe call'em all Impala? Better yet, pretend it's not massive and call is "Chevelle." As a 30 y.o. I can tell you that most people my age associate the name "Caprice" with Grandparents, maybe older folks have a different association and younger people don't remember the last Caprices.
pick a Chevelle- any Chevelle- and park it next to the new Caprice and you will see that today's "full size" cars are smaller than the "mid size" cars from before the mid 70's. in fact, when Chevy downsized the full size B bodies for the 77 model year, they used most of the chassis that they had been using on the mid size A bodies since the 73 model year. and since the A body didn't get downsized for another year, the GM full size and mid size cars were the same size and built on the same chassis for the 77 model year and in fact the full size cars were a little smaller and lighter than the mid size cars..
they already have a car called "Impala".. also a "Malibu".. the "Caprice" badge has a pretty loyal fan base, so it's not stupid to use that on the 4 doors, with the 2 door being called a Monte Carlo- a nameplate that also has a pretty loyal fanbase.
Javelin wrote:aussiesmg wrote: OK, now who wants to help me come up with a story as to why I just HAVE to have a new uteAren't you Australian? Isn't it against the law for an Aussie to *not* own a 'Ute?
You can not run the world's only "Australian Embassy and Triumph Stag Museum" without properly representing Aussie culture.
or
With some fabrication skills, the Ute could be modified to accept a bed cap that along with a ramp, converts the vehicle to a wheel-chaired-passenger transport vehicle. Of course the added weight of this modification will need to be offset with additional hp so as to keep the "balance" of the vehicle. It should also be noted that the passenger-compartment-cap and ramp will be easily removable. Strangely, the added hp will have to stay at all times!!??
Needs moar fake vents and mexican chrome.
jrw1621 wrote:Javelin wrote:You can not run the world's only "Australian Embassy and Triumph Stag Museum" without properly representing Aussie culture. or With some fabrication skills, the Ute could be modified to accept a bed cap that along with a ramp, converts the vehicle to a wheel-chaired-passenger transport vehicle. Of course the added weight of this modification will need to be offset with additional hp so as to keep the "balance" of the vehicle. It should also be noted that the passenger-compartment-cap and ramp will be easily removable. Strangely, the added hp will have to stay at all times!!??aussiesmg wrote: OK, now who wants to help me come up with a story as to why I just HAVE to have a new uteAren't you Australian? Isn't it against the law for an Aussie to *not* own a 'Ute?
I am a good Aussie, you guys know that
aussiesmg wrote: OK, now who wants to help me come up with a story as to why I just HAVE to have a new ute LSx and 6 speed......droool
you don't need a story. neither do i. i just want one.
I've never really been a fan of anything from GM made after about 1974. A Pontiac G8 wagon would have been tempting enough to get me to seriously consider buying a GM made car (other than a Cadillac CTS-V or Corvette). A Chevy SS Wagon could also be an attractive proposition.
A new El Camino, on the other hand, seems to stir up all kinds of craziness in my brain.
Unfortunately it'll be a few year, special edition type of car, and they'll build it long enough for it to be remembered in gearhead lore.
Who wants to take bets on how high the markups will be?
Did you say you want two utes?
BoostedBrandon wrote: Unfortunately it'll be a few year, special edition type of car, and they'll build it long enough for it to be remembered in gearhead lore. Who wants to take bets on how high the markups will be?
the closest we have had to an UTE in recent years was the Chevy SSR... which was really not good at doing anything
mad_machine wrote:BoostedBrandon wrote: Unfortunately it'll be a few year, special edition type of car, and they'll build it long enough for it to be remembered in gearhead lore. Who wants to take bets on how high the markups will be?the closest we have had to an UTE in recent years was the Chevy SSR... which was really not good at doing anything
Not true. I make killer money repairing those piles of E36 M3! They have grown the economy immensely!
The El Camino and Ranchero were replaced by the Ranger and S-10 for the most part.
Both the Ranger and the S-10 could be tarted up to provide a pretty similar car-like interior and bed of a the car based Utes.
Interestingly, the Ranger has now been discontinued.
Bring on the Falcon Ute!
novaderrik wrote: pick a Chevelle- any Chevelle- and park it next to the new Caprice and you will see that today's "full size" cars are smaller than the "mid size" cars from before the mid 70's. in fact, when Chevy downsized the full size B bodies for the 77 model year, they used most of the chassis that they had been using on the mid size A bodies since the 73 model year. and since the A body didn't get downsized for another year, the GM full size and mid size cars were the same size and built on the same chassis for the 77 model year and in fact the full size cars were a little smaller and lighter than the mid size cars.. they already have a car called "Impala".. also a "Malibu".. the "Caprice" badge has a pretty loyal fan base, so it's not stupid to use that on the 4 doors, with the 2 door being called a Monte Carlo- a nameplate that also has a pretty loyal fanbase.
Oh, I'm aware that the Caprice has a fan base:
I just think that the "Chevelle" nameplate has more cachet and it currently unused. Regular people won't care that it's not anything like the current Malibu. It's immaterial now that they've decided not to give is an actual name.
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I like calling it Chevrolet SS. Ever since I was a kid, I thought the over abundance of names at GM was silly. I could never tell one Buick from another Oldsmobile. I always thought the Ford/Mercury deal was a lot easier to follow. Yesterday on the highway I saw something called a Buick Regal. It was new-ish- as in not from the 80s which is about as far as I could keep up with such things. I didn't even know the silly thing existed. It had nothing to do with anything my brain could call a Regal. Just some genero-car with a Regal badge on it.
Yeah, time to chuck all of it and move forward. The Chevro-bui-smob-lack deal didn't work out so well. Make a car. Call it something. Leave it at that. If I want endless variety, I'll head to Baskin Robins. Simplifying it all is marketing. What they were doing before was clinging to a history that the automotive world left behind decades ago.
So I was doing some research and this is what I have come up with.
Holden Commodore Sedan -
SV6 - 280 hp 3.6L V6, 6-Speed Manual or Automatic, 24 avg mpg, $36k USD
SS - 360 hp 6.0L V8, 6-Speed Manual or Automatic, 19 avg mpg, $41k USD
Holden SportWagon
SV6 - Specs same as above, $42k USD
SS - Specs same as above, $47k USD
Holden Ute -
SV6 - Specs same as above, $32k USD
SS - Specs same as above, $37k USD
Just from this, I could tell you that they are probably not going to be able to sell the wagon here. I think they could definitely get away with the sedan and ute.
fast_eddie_72 wrote: I like calling it Chevrolet SS. Ever since I was a kid, I thought the over abundance of names at GM was silly. I could never tell one Buick from another Oldsmobile. I always thought the Ford/Mercury deal was a lot easier to follow. Yesterday on the highway I saw something called a Buick Regal. It was new-ish- as in not from the 80s which is about as far as I could keep up with such things. I didn't even know the silly thing existed. It had nothing to do with anything my brain could call a Regal. Just some genero-car with a Regal badge on it. Yeah, time to chuck all of it and move forward. The Chevro-bui-smob-lack deal didn't work out so well. Make a car. Call it something. Leave it at that. If I want endless variety, I'll head to Baskin Robins. Simplifying it all *is* marketing. What they were doing before was clinging to a history that the automotive world left behind decades ago.
I'm with you on the simplification, but I don't see how coming up with a new model name ("SS") is simplifying. And I'm not sure how GM's history of badge engineering is relevant here.
To me it makes more sense to re-use an old name than to make up a new one. The problem with "Caprice" is that I don't think that name has a positive, sporty connotation with many people--maybe I'm wrong.
Naming it SS only would likely ire hard core Chevy lovers, just call it a SS -__ (fill in the blank), there'd be a multitude of suffixes to set it apart from past SS
SyntheticBlinkerFluid wrote: So I was doing some research and this is what I have come up with. Holden Commodore Sedan - SV6 - 280 hp 3.6L V6, 6-Speed Manual or Automatic, 24 avg mpg, $36k USD SS - 360 hp 6.0L V8, 6-Speed Manual or Automatic, 19 avg mpg, $41k USD Holden SportWagon SV6 - Specs same as above, $42k USD SS - Specs same as above, $47k USD Holden Ute - SV6 - Specs same as above, $32k USD SS - Specs same as above, $37k USD Just from this, I could tell you that they are probably not going to be able to sell the wagon here. I think they could definitely get away with the sedan and ute.
Remember if they bring it here it gets cheaper to produce as the production costs are spread thinner over many more cars
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