Just an FYI, and I'm going to stay out of the politics of course. Just wanted to pass on the news to you. If you are wanting to carry concealed, you are one step closer.
The courts have found it unconstitutional for the state to NOT allow carrying weapons. It will have more rounds to go through in higher levels from what I understand, but I hope and expect I will be able to carry in Illinois in the near future.
Try to keep politics to a minimum.
Illinois was the only state in the nation to not allow some form of concealed carry. But it remains to be seen whether IL will become shall-issue or may-issue.
I sure hope I can carry over there. I'm right on the border and the only time I go there is to go to a specific bar where I wouldn't be carrying anyway. If they allowed me to carry there, I would start cruising the Great River Road again.
Man, I hope so. I hope. I hope. I hope.
But Chicago, for better or for worse, carries a lot of weight.
You can conceal carry in Illinois if you're federal job requires it. 
RossD wrote: You can conceal carry in Illinois if you're federal job requires it.
Very true. OK everybody. Lets go get our federal LEO jobs. Follow me to Virginia!
I'm crossing my fingers that Chicago doesn't screw this up the way they do everything else around here.
This is good news hopefully they won't make it virtually impossible for people to get.
Are we also the only state with a FOID card? I mentioned it to someone else once from another state and they said they had never heard of one.
Without making this a political thread, can somebody give me what they feel are the pros AND cons of conceal carry? Especially from someone who currently does?
The only con I can think of is possible crossfire in certain situations. Here in MO where our gun laws are simply the federal laws, we have had no trouble with ccw. All shooters have been deemed justified, but laws such as the anti-carjacking law and castle law can many times blend together and protect the shooter to a further extent than many other states may. These laws allow shooters to get to safety and not get sued by criminals.
Pros? We could make a long list including crime prevention by way of scaring the E36 M3 out of criminals.
As for the FOID cards, many of the guys I work with need them. The big down-side is that they have to disarm when leaving work. I carry at hip until I get home to my EDC.
I know there's going to be a huge list of pros. I more or less want the Cons.
My wife is scared of guns. She brought the conceal carry laws up yesterday and she's pretty concerned about it.
Explain to her that it has caused crime raits to drop in Missouri.
Their not putting weapons in the hands of the criminals. Their already carrying illegally. It puts guns in the hands of the good guys. The CCW classes will ensure everyone carrying legally is knowledgeable of law and safe gun operation.
I still can't think of any cons.
I'm glad I live in Indiana......people I know that moved from Illinois seemed absolutely amazed they could go to a store and buy a rifle, handgun, or shotgun without any additional thing besides their drivers license and a background check.....let alone could easily get the license to carry them.
Indiana doesn't have a CCW license, its a general license to carry a handgun, open carry is accepted(although you'll be harassed), and concealed is accepted.
Pro's, the saying "A polite society is an armed society" is true. Transplant a kid from today with his "Yo mamma jokes" back to the 20's and see what happens. And as stated above, statistically lower crime rate, etc.
Cons, the only con I can think of is that my area doesn't do training courses, I'd hope people would be smart enough to be proficient before they carried, but I won't hold my breath on that.
SyntheticBlinkerFluid wrote: I know there's going to be a huge list of pros. I more or less want the Cons. My wife is scared of guns. She brought the conceal carry laws up yesterday and she's pretty concerned about it.
She should be more worried about the criminals that already have guns. I guess my time in the military has made me view weapons as tools that weigh you down until you need them. I don't understand why someone would be scared of a firearm. Being scared of a bad guy or an idiot with a gun is a valid concern, though. How often do you hear about CCW holders going Rambo and shooting bystanders? Now ask the same question about the NYPD.
I'd also be willing to bet that a CCW holder is less likely to escalate an argument or altercation under normal circumstances.
I have been expecting to see a federal ccw act in the next four years. It would be best to have all carry laws match across the US rather than having to worry when crossing the border. It is the carriers responsibility to remain proficient with their weapon, or if you're rebel, weapons.
Allegedly Indiana is working on bills on the state level to allow private ownership of new production automatic weapons.....my guess is with all the MaryJane legalizations, they're wanting to get in on the upcoming battle of states rights vs. federal round 2 that is fast approaching.
N Sperlo wrote: I have been expecting to see a federal ccw act in the next four years. It would be best to have all carry laws match across the US rather than having to worry when crossing the border. It is the carriers responsibility to remain proficient with their weapon, or if you're rebel, weapons.
the problem is its a states rights issue, so the states get to decide how they want to handle it, like cali making it nigh impossible to get a ccw permit. probably the best way to deal with it is via the current reciprocity agreements. but there will need to be a minimum proficiency standard established before all states will recip with all the others.
In reply to Strizzo:
Needlessly saying in cali you can still open carry an unloaded firearm......thats if they haven't changed that gem of a law lately.
yamaha wrote: In reply to Strizzo: Needlessly saying in cali you can still open carry an unloaded firearm......thats if they haven't changed that gem of a law lately.
that hasn't changed as far as i know, but you're definitely likely to get hassled, which is part of the point of "concealed"
FWIW, unloaded open carry is not even allowed in texas.
SyntheticBlinkerFluid wrote: I know there's going to be a huge list of pros. I more or less want the Cons. My wife is scared of guns. She brought the conceal carry laws up yesterday and she's pretty concerned about it.
Ask her if she's scared of hammers or a stove.
Why do you want any cons? To reinforce her opinion on it or what?
DISCLAIMER: Do not ask your wife if she is scared of hammers or a stove, it will end poorly for you.
In reply to Strizzo:
In Oregon it is legal to open carry a loaded weapon with no permit requirements at all 
EDIT: actually there are a couple areas that they have said not open carry unless you have a concealed carry permit. Mostly the areas getting over run by Cali folks.
In reply to rebelgtp:
yeah i know several states up there allow open carry without a permit. probably going to be more areas clamping down, right or not after what happened yesterday in portland.
Grizz wrote:SyntheticBlinkerFluid wrote: I know there's going to be a huge list of pros. I more or less want the Cons. My wife is scared of guns. She brought the conceal carry laws up yesterday and she's pretty concerned about it.Ask her if she's scared of hammers or a stove. Why do you want any cons? To reinforce her opinion on it or what? DISCLAIMER: Do not ask your wife if she is scared of hammers or a stove, it will end poorly for you.
I have no clue why my wife is afraid of guns. My buddy and his girlfriend invited us to go to the range with them so my wife could fire off a couple of his lower caliber pistols. I wanted her to see that there is nothing to be afraid of. My wife laid awake all night because her nerves got her to the point of taking a one way trip to looneytown. We ended up not going. She has never given me an exact reason why.
There are cons to everything. I just wanted some. I think N Sperlo had one, which is that people can get hit by crossfire if something were to happen in public. That could probably lead to a lawsuit.
If I have a glock I am carrying, I will almost always open carry them....add that into my usual attire(polo + dress pants), and I can OC through hospitals, restruants, malls, EVEN walmarts without being questioned. The general public is accustomed to seeing a glock handgun(even though most don't realize that is what a glock is)
so they've been conditioned to think those mean police officer, add in my attire, and I must look like an off duty officer to them. Now, I've had the cops called for a MwG(man with gun) instance twice in my life......once for the AR in the front seat of my car, and once for the high polish Taurus 607 I was carrying in a shoulder rig @ a Wendy's. Both times the officers seemed disappointed they couldn't do anything.
yamaha wrote: Allegedly Indiana is working on bills on the state level to allow private ownership of new production automatic weapons.....
Good luck with that.
TN actually passed a law that said that firearms made and sold in TN aren't subject to federal firearms laws. The ATF sent this letter to TN FFL licensees, saying that all FFLs are required to abide federal law.
Sell a new-production automatic weapon, and you're going to FPMITA prison, no matter what state law says.
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