I guess the rear wing fad has been replaced by this

I've been seeing more and more of these stupid little steamroller tires, mostly on VWs. They look like a cartoon, ride like crap, the fender lips cut the sidewalls...I guess these are the sideways ball caps of the automotive world. When I was a kid we just put air shocks and traction bars on everything. I still think this is way stupider.

Welcome to Stance.

Mike wrote: Welcome to Stance.

Also. Where have you been?

I won't say I disagree about the way it looks, but why do we, as car guys, always feel a need to slam someone else's taste in cars? Shouldn't we instead be glad that there's that many more car guys? One more rabbit saved from the crusher? One more set of wheels that helps lower the cost for others? And those small steam roller tires to me look similar to many CSP and CP autocross cars I see.
Why can't we accept that not everyone likes the same thing we do?

Mike wrote: Welcome to Stance.

Yup. That's stance/hellaflush. It's been around a while.

One of the most famous examples is "Rusty McSlammin'" from Stanceworks

terms associated with this scene: stance/hellaflush/illest/hard parking/cambered/

So last decade!

There are a few Golfs and Jettas around here rolling on Corvette wheels.

If the choice is between 24's or the steamrollers, it's no contest.

The problem with the stance is that it shows the owners have no idea what a car is all about. It makes all carguys look stupid by association.

Wide tires. Who wants that?

In reply to carguy123:

You just proved my point. It's not that they don't know what a car is all about, they just don't know what a car is all about TO YOU. They know exactly what it's all about to them.

Looks a lot like this to me.

fast_eddie_72 wrote: Wide tires. Who wants that?

Illest

Meanwhile, there are a bunch of comments on the GRM facebook page about how aero looks stupid and is hard - so cars shouldn't have aero.

The stretched tire look is very late 90's Germany to me, but that makes no difference. A coworker of mine is from the VW world and he's threatening to put a set of 15x10 wheels on a Miata with 195/50-15 tires on it. I can't wait, it's going to make heads explode.

I think the term is 'poke' and 'stretch'. Head over to RetroRides. While there are a lot of very cool builds over there, the 'banded steelies with a stretch' crowed is very big too.

But as someone else said, these kids are tomorrows autocrossers and open trackers, cut them some slack. To me this is far better than fart cans, upside down 747 wings and double doudble dub donks or whatever the terms are

BTW, the Wabbit in the first pick looks like it could be a fun car.

carguy123 wrote: The problem with X is that it shows the owners have no idea what a car is all about. It makes all carguys look stupid by association.

X = {donks, autocross, lowriders, trailer queens}

insert your own entry in the set. It belongs as much as any other entry....There are just as many people who don't get what we do.

I'm not a huge fan of hellaflush (I even bought the sticker) but I understand people taking pride in things they do themselves.

That Rabbit in the OP looks to have a similar set-up to this National's competitor that regularly finishes in the trophies:

I like it.

lol in our apt complex we've got a few hellaflush dubs (new ones)... maybe a cm gap from the fender to the rim...

is all I can think about is how harsh it would ride... I honestly think they look kewl... for a show car/trailer queen... but to actually drive something like that... OUCH... I still like my grandpa mobile volvo wagon at stock ride height... so i'm the wrong person to talk to... I'd rather function for my DD :)

The Japanese started it, with Shakotan:

Then through the unholy union with western Hellaflush we got Stance.

oldsaw wrote: That Rabbit in the OP looks to have a similar set-up to this National's competitor that regularly finishes in the trophies: I like it.

He's fairly local to me and autocrosses with us. That rabbit is wicked fast.

I thought the Germans started it because the TUV wouldn't allow tires outside the fenders, but wheels could be, or something like that?

Either way, I like some of them, some of them are terrible. Just like most automotive trends. I usually prefer OEM+ looks, but a super aggressive wheel/tire setup is cool, whether stanced or beefy.

In reply to oldsaw:

The VWs were absent this year, save the Colorado Scirocco. But sounds like there is a rule change in the offing that will let them run the 16V engine. I suspect we'll see some very fast VWs for me to finish behind very soon.

I often wonder how bad these things actually handle. I mean really a miata on 15x10's probably would still corner ok

Wide wheels. Big goofy wings. What kind of retard does that?????