VG30_S12
VG30_S12 Reader
2/13/18 8:21 a.m.

I was wondering if it's possible to increase the carrying capacity of a smaller vehicle...

Im looking into smaller fuel efficient vehicle for possibly small cargo or even people transport, i myself am a large individual (Not gonna go into details but I'm definitely heavier than most) the cars In consideration are cars like the scion xb, kia soul and so forth

The capacities for these vehicles seem to hover around 825-950lbs, even for mid sized sedans with bigger engines(mazda6) only went up to 1000lbs

I guess my question is,  at times i will probably exceed the capacity,  what can i do about it? Stiffer suspension? Bigger engine? Bigger tires? And what happens if i do exceed the capacity?

I'm working on the weight problem but ill need the vehicle sooner than i can drop the weight

Robbie
Robbie PowerDork
2/13/18 8:27 a.m.

Start with tires. Make sure they are good and you are within load rating. Then I'd makes sure the brakes are in perfect stock function, maybe even grab some better pads.

Then, I'd probably just add stiffer rear springs or helpers if the back was sagging too much.

How much are you going over? 

VG30_S12
VG30_S12 Reader
2/13/18 8:37 a.m.

In reply to Robbie :

That depends,  by myself i don't exceed the capacity,  but for instance me and my wife would be right before the limit... so if i were to uber with it and picked up two full size adults (250lbs each) id be way over

I guess at worst under  1500lbs?

Curtis
Curtis PowerDork
2/13/18 3:02 p.m.

It's hard to say for all vehicles since there is no way to know the weak points.  Overloading a Corolla might make the bearings die, and overloading a Kia might snap a control arm.

Of course those are extreme examples (except the corolla... they weren't over-engineered in the bearing department) but there is only so much you can do.  There is a buffer since manufacturers know that people will be people.  If your GVW is 3000 lbs, the suspension won't crumble at 3001 lbs.

Go to your tire manufacturer's website or TireRack.com and look up your tire and its max weight capacity.  Multiply by four.  That is what they can technically carry at their max psi.   Here is the main caveat.  Vehicles designed for higher weights (like pickups) use tires that can perform well over a wide range of pressures.  Your passenger tires are designed for a smooth quiet ride, and they are designed to operate at the pressure listed on the door jamb sticker.  With a truck, you can pump them up to X psi and they'll do well over a wide range of weights.  Passenger tires do not.  You'll have to find a pressure that suits your most common weight range to match the weight where the car spends most of its time knowing that it will be too much pressure with no cargo and not enough at full cargo.

Brakes should likely be upgraded.  If you're just stretching things a little in the weight category, some good pads and rotors should do the trick.

Spring rate is the correct way to increase capacity.  Don't do airbags or air shocks.  Shock mounts are designed to just handle the forces that are kicked back from the dampers, not designed to hold weight.  Often times they are just bolted to thin stamped steel under the body.  Airbags work great until they don't.  There is a much higher probability of blowing a bag or developing a leak.  The good news is that you can increase spring rate without changing springs.  Use some coil spring spacers to remove one round of the coils from active duty.  They're cheap and they will eventually fall out, but just replace them.

Shocks should be upgraded as well.  Factory shocks are designed to control the oscillating weight of what they are designed to carry.  More weight means more up and down inertia.

Automatic transmissions in small cars are not really up to the task of additional weight, but you can add a transmission cooler.  Also consider (depending on the car) a computer reflash for higher line pressures and firmer shifts.  Manual transmission cars have clutches and diaphragms also designed for their intended weight.  Consider an upgrade.

All of that being said, there is nothing you can do about a bunch of other things.  Bearings, suspension arms, or the sheet steel they're bolted to.  Whatever you buy might be gloriously overkill in those departments, or they could be barely adequate for their engineered GVWR

To do it right takes an engineer and a ton of time and money.  The real solution is to just buy something that will take the weight.  Doing all of the above will help how the car actually (safely) handles the weight, but at the extremes (panic braking, evasive maneuvers, etc) it can't help if a control arm snaps, a brake caliper pin shears off, or the control arm rips the sheet metal.  That is an extreme example, but there is no real way of knowing without knowing what car we're talking about.

If you're talking about a couple oversized people and 10 cases of beer, just buy what you want and drive it.  If you're talking about a family of 5 plus an engine block in the trunk, just get something that will take the weight.

Just about a month ago I was being followed by an S10 pickup that had a pallet of bird seed in the back.  When he wasn't paying attention and I slowed down for a left turn, he totaled his truck on a bridge guardrail.  He couldn't stop, tried to swerve to go around me on the right, the tire pulled off the rim, and he spun into the bridge.  All you could smell was burned brake pads and anti-freeze.  Fortunately he was fine, and the birds feasted at that intersection for weeks.

Also keep in mind that the GVWR of the car is sometimes a wee bit of BS.  They start out as carefully engineered numbers based on industry-standard tests, then the bean counters get involved.  That Mazda 6 might be engineered so that it could carry 1500 lbs of cargo by the maths numbers, but keeping it conservative at 1000 means less legal and warranty liability.  Someone accountant did the math and realized that dropping the GVWR by 500 lbs would likely mean $50k per year fewer warranty claims on bearings, and if someone wrecks at 1200 lbs of cargo they aren't as liable.  I say that because there may be a car out there that is already overbuilt, but its hard to know without an engineering degree.

Curtis
Curtis PowerDork
2/13/18 3:15 p.m.

As far as the xB is concerned, my ex wife has one.  Its an 05, so the earlier body style.  Not sure what carried over to the new one.

It seemed to be very well engineered for its use.  It is a Tercel with a tall body.  The brakes were barely adequate for its weight (they are tiny), and the suspension was far from happy with a small couch in the back.  I would think it would have needed a very comprehensive set of upgrades to be happy even at GVWR, let alone exceeding it.

We bought her car used and it had 17" wheels on it.  I thought the brakes were pretty weak.  When we put some 14" snow tires on it, the brakes were much more adequate.  That tells me that the brakes are barely adequate if just a swap to larger wheels made that much difference in braking.

nutherjrfan
nutherjrfan SuperDork
2/13/18 9:58 p.m.

My Corolla Uber ride today felt like E36 M3 if that helps. Enough to make me think 'Sod Corollas.' indecision

KyAllroad (Jeremy)
KyAllroad (Jeremy) PowerDork
2/14/18 7:10 a.m.

Something to remember.  Most tiny cars (like the ones you listed) advertise great MPGs but in the real world those numbers fall off BADLY when loaded up.  If you start with a more midsize vehicle it'll have more carrying capacity AND be fairly immune to the negative effects of carrying a larger payload.

My sister is a veterinarian and when she started her practice she asked me what she should get (same sort of math, roughly 1,000 lbs of supplies, wanted an SUV).  She wanted a CRV or RAV-4 and couldn't get why this was a bad idea.  She ended up with a Santa Fe and immediately realized she's made a mistake.  Her next vehicle was a 2005 4Runner and that was 100% better for handling the weight.

tldr: start big enough for your needs

Curtis
Curtis PowerDork
2/14/18 10:08 a.m.
KyAllroad (Jeremy) said:

tldr: start big enough for your needs

^^This.

Its just so much simpler and safer to just get what works.  Don't hesitate ot upgrade, but there is a very huge difference between taking a 4-runner and adding some shocks and spring spacers than taking a tinfoil toaster and trying to re-engineer everything.  The money you would spend on upgrading an xB could buy the 4 runner, some upgrades, and the difference in gas for a long time.

Things that make something good at carrying weight often make their MPGs go down; axle ratio, tire size (capacity), physical weight of the empty vehicle, engine size, etc.  Its so much more than just brakes and tires and springs.

Wife's xB was advertised at 35-ish mpg highway IIRC.  Empty with just the two of us we frequently saw 32 highway, but loaded up for a vacation it was a lot of full throttle and downshifting to maintain speed and mid 20s were more common.

VG30_S12
VG30_S12 Reader
2/14/18 11:08 a.m.

Thank you guys for all the responses,  As much as i hate it,  that makes sense... i really want to get a car like the soul (was also looking at hhr ss and Mazdaspeed3s)

Any suggestions for mid 20s mpg, 5speed with good weight capacity for under 7k that won't make me want to crash it from boredom ?

I kinda doubt i may drive for uber because from what I've seen has lead me to believe uber hates heavy people... but I'd like to be able to idk deliver stuff or find some way to make money with it

VG30_S12
VG30_S12 Reader
2/14/18 1:38 p.m.

In reply to iadr :

Ok,  what about the 2010 Mazda5s? Seem a bit underpowered but says from what a read payload capacity of roughly 1100lbs...

More than likely it'll be only line of us(wife and i) driving, as we have an 03 Sedona for family hauling... want something that cam carry a light load and get reasonable millage,  even if it's only when I'm not carrying anything

 

After all this talk,  i think i need too go and be bulimic for a few weeks :( jk of course

Curtis
Curtis PowerDork
2/15/18 9:12 a.m.

I would say that any of the next step up in your range should do the trick.  Of course, you often times lose the hatch; like going from a Soul to an Elantra or from an xB to a Camry.

But many of those mid-compact types are also built in a car-like CUV, like Sportage, Outlander, Acadia, etc.

bentwrench
bentwrench Dork
2/15/18 10:35 a.m.

8valve
8valve Reader
2/15/18 11:10 a.m.

2nd gen xB is rated to carry just over 1000 pounds, much better option than the 1st gen.   I think its Camry based rather than tercel based.   It has a 2.4L versus the 1.5 in the 1st gen.

Every pound you can lighten up is another pound of carrying capacity.. Not the usual GRM reason to lighten up, but still works as a reason.

skierd
skierd SuperDork
2/16/18 1:53 a.m.

How much weight are you thinking over 900 pounds, less you and you’re regular day to say stuff,  are you thinking you’ll be hauling and more importantly how often?  What kind of fuel efficiency do you want?

My Outback’s payload is also 1100 pounds or so and it definitely noticed when I had three adults (180, 225, and 250 pounds) in it with two kayaks up top and stuff for an afternoon float in back, but it would do it all day (75% of max).   It definitely doesn’t appreciate when I put 30cs of beer (cans), 10cs of wine, 3 1/2bbls kegs and 2 1/6bbls kegs in it for work deliveries but that’s pushing 75% over its rating... I won’t overload it like that probably because it drove like garbage and was definitely unsafe. 

So yeah, how heavy is heavy?

Ian F
Ian F MegaDork
2/16/18 4:16 a.m.

I agree brakes are often one of the biggest limiting factors. A friend of mine used to drive a Geo Tracker and commuted into downtown Philly from the suburbs every day with his father. Neither of them are/were small people and easily pushed the carrying capacity of a Tracker. If you've ever seen the front pads for a Tracker, they look like motorcycle pads.  It was an uncomfortable conversation when he asked me why he was replacing the front brakes twice a year.

I like my minivan for efficiently hauling heavier loads or people in relative comfort, but I cannot make any claims it is particularly fun to drive.  As a pure appliance, it has few peers. Granted, I have other "fun" cars when I need to scratch that itch. 

VG30_S12
VG30_S12 Reader
2/16/18 10:42 a.m.

In reply to skierd :

Well i guess not much anyone can do to make me feel worse about it, I'm a little under 500lbs by myself... like i said i wanted to get something i could haul around family(aproximatly 1320lbs) 3 or so average sized people, or deliver pizza or small cargo loads,  get mid to high 20s when unloaded and have a manual transmission option and easy to work on 4cyl...

The other issue is i have about 5k to spend,  don't really want a payment if i can even get one... I've already got a family hauler so maybe i could just get something like the xb2 for that commuting alone

RevRico
RevRico UltraDork
2/16/18 10:50 a.m.

I keep thinking about my P71 when I come back to this thread. 

I've had it loaded down pretty well, 1000lbs of people, plus a good 400 in wheels, tires, tools, and it really wasn't that bad. High teens to low 20s around town, mid 20s highway.

Except it's a V8 and automatic, though from what I hear pretty easy to drop a manual in. Especially with a $5k budget, the 2010-2011 are still available cheaply around 100-150k miles which would be a great starting point. 

barefootskater
barefootskater Reader
2/16/18 11:23 a.m.

In reply to RevRico :

Doesn't the P71 have a huge payload? I remember hearing 1200lbs in the trunk is ok? Also reliable as the sun and not bad to look at... and a 5.4 swap with lightning SC and it would be a riot even with a slushbox.

Also ladder chassis so increasing the payload is as simple as heavier springs.

VG30_S12
VG30_S12 Reader
2/16/18 11:39 a.m.

That's one to consider but i think i saw somewhere that crown vics aren't allowed for uber which makes zero sense to me... I'll have to check

(Edit) wtf they are specifically prohibited that's a bunch of e36 m3

Also that'd be really badass to have a manual vic, but i wouldn't be able to install it myself... health has really declined :(

pinchvalve
pinchvalve MegaDork
2/16/18 11:54 a.m.

I hate to sound like a broken record, but you need a Kia Rondo.  They had a 7-passenger version that was rated at 1157 pounds cargo capacity.  You can take the 5-passenger version and upgrade the rear springs to the 7-passenger version and have plenty of capacity for 4 adults and their luggage.  (I can say from experience that the Rondo will haul way more than it should without issue, it just sags in the rear a bit.)  Driven conservatively, it can achieve 22-23 mpg with the V6.  Best of all, it is so much roomier inside for larger folks, and easier to get into and out of than a tiny little econobox. The back seat is much more Uber-friendly than most, in fact, it was in the running to be the next taxi cab for NYC. 

 

No manual transmission available, but it does have a manu-matic 5-speed.  As far as sporty and fun-to-drive, it is about halfway between a Miata and a Belair Wagon.  

 

 

 


 

 

KyAllroad (Jeremy)
KyAllroad (Jeremy) PowerDork
2/16/18 8:18 p.m.

There was a $5,000 Phaeton over in the open classified a few days ago.  You could load that thing with lead ingots and it wouldn't notice.  And brakes for days!  22-24 mpg, AWD, roomy seats, big legroom in the back, trunk big enough for 2.5 dead hookers (don't ask).

But seriously, Air suspension vehicles will do a pretty good job of compensating when they get a heavier load than conventionally sprung rides.

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