is this good or bad

not quite sure yet..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/13734_suicidekitsthe91yearoldwomansellinginstantdeathontheinternet

There are good things and bad things about that, but I think they should give that lady the death penalty, you know, just because it would be kind of funny (ironic?) in a way.

aircooled wrote: There are good things and bad things about that, but I think they should give that lady the death penalty, you know, just because it would be kind of funny (ironic?) in a way.

She would only last one appeal anyway. It would be a waste of money. Put her away and let time take care of the rest.

Why does she need to be "put away"? She's committed no crime. I bought some bleach at the supermarket that is deadlier than anything she was selling.

The decision of whether or not to remain living is the most fundamental freedom a person has. Governments can't take that away, although they do try to. That's where the real wrong lies.

Jay wrote: Why does she need to be "put away"? She's committed no crime. I bought some bleach at the supermarket that is deadlier than anything she was selling. The decision of whether or not to remain living is the most fundamental freedom a person has. Governments can't take that away, although they do try to. That's where the real wrong lies.

that's one thing i find peculiar in today's societal norms. on one hand we say that it's perfectly fine (i.e. legal) to terminate a life form in the womb before it even has any say on its wishes to live or die, yet we don't permit a (presumably) lucid life form to choose their own fate. seems backwards if we're to err on the side of caution.

^This.

If people do not wish to live anymore, they should have the right to end their life, with or without help.

I certainly support peoples rights to check themselves out, and I really hate that the government seems to like to step in to stop it. In some cases it just comes down to dignity.

The "problem" comes in when people who are just temporarily depressed take the easy way out. I am not really that concerned about the person, but the people around them.

But, given the option of fully allowed or fully disallowed, I would side with allowed.

If someone wants to kill themselves, they'll find a way. She sold items in one box, it's up to the buyer of the box to do with the contents as he or she wants. The buyer could hold on to it and never use it, or use the contents. Up to them; that's a personal freedom, that as Jay points out, should not be taken away.

I have the feeling this goes on a lot more than is generally known.

The real kicker is- all it is is a cheap book, some tube, and a plastic bag. If we get right down to it, I can go to Walget right now and buy ALL of that and have myself offed before the simpsons come on.

The larger issue is whether or not people should be allowed to voluntarily terminate their lives. Seems that we have multiple ways of doing it without the livings' consent (the death penalty, abortion) but doing it of ones own volition is illegal? Does not compute.

Yup, suicide is illegal in, I think, almost all states. Of course, if successful, well, where's the penalty.

Having the law on the books allows the attemptee suicides to be legally dealt with immediately, without medical history/family permission wrangling. .

For our future goverment ran health care - it may become a norm...

The real crime is charging $60 bucks for a plastic bag, some rubber hose and a 20 year old book. If she was the humanitarian she is claiming to be she shouldn't need such a mark up. I put the kit together on Amazon for $14.00

$11.56 for paperback copy of Final Exit

$1.25 for 10 feet of 3/16" vinyl tubing (300 ft roll for $37.28)

$1.19 for a large double zipper Ziploc bag. (5 for $5.94, $5.05 with a membership) A quick trip to the kitchen confirms this would seal even my fat head.

They still have to rent the tank locally, Which is being a bit dishonest to Party City. Almost like being buried in a rented suit.

I miss the good old days when suicide was done honorably, with a gun or a sword. Now anyone can do it and make it seem painless.

GrantMLS wrote: For our future goverment ran health care - it may become a norm...

Wally wrote: A quick trip to the kitchen confirms this would seal even my fat head.

VERY funny mental image here.

I think it would be informative to outline things which are illegal, then ban anything that is more deadly than those, and legalize anything that is less lethal than those.

For instance - cars kill more people than guns and all illegal drug use combined. So why are they trying to make guns illegal, and then giving anyone with a smile a driver's license? All of a sudden we could smoke pot, own assault rifles, shoot heroin, but we would have to ride bikes to get it all. But fewer people would die

As somebody who almost attempted Suicide.. I would never stop somebody else from doing it. I WOULD try to talk them out of it, but if push came to shove, I would not stop them.

It is a very personal thing, very hard to put into words the whys to it. Let's just say I am a better person for almost attempting it (I was sitting on the window ledge when I decided not to) and for deciding against. That moment made everything crystal clear for me and has influenced the rest of my life.

And yes.. the real crime is charging $60 for it

Uh-oh..

I have a car, some hose and an enclosed space.

I must be planning to help someone commit suicide.

insert crude joke about not charging enough

If you're sufficiently deviant, yes I'm looking at YOU GPS/Poop, you'll see where I'm going with that.

Fock me. If I were going to do myself in I would do it be drinking obsurd amounts of Canadian beer daily, smoke for 20 years of my life and then when I am nearing mid life settle down and have a couple kids.

That's the problem.

You're not allowed to do it quickly and painlessly.

You have to go out slowly just like the rest of us.

John Brown wrote: Fock me. If I were going to do myself in I would do it be drinking obsurd amounts of Canadian beer daily, smoke for 20 years of my life and then when I am nearing mid life settle down and have a couple kids.

ok ust want to say i didnt post this to start contreversy... not that there has been any but just sayin.

I don't mind if people off themselves, as long as they don't ruin everyone else along the way. There should be a special place in hell for all the people that jump in front of trains, off buildings and bridges, ect.

The only reasons I can see why suicide is illegal is as follows:

1) God said it is wrong and punishable by eternity in Hell

2) The Gov't sees it as a premature loss of tax revenue that should not have happened.