Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: REASONABLE DOUBT /thread I think. I figure. I suppose. All bullE36 M3 words for I do not berkeleying know what happened. Sweet berkeleying Jesus on a fat cock, be glad you can't be convicted on heresay and move the berkeley on.
This.
I see this thread is about to take a turn for the worse anyways.
Strike_Zero wrote: Are we to say that my FB page means I'm a douche/mouth breather because I decide to live a lifestyle different than the world? If that's the case all of us should be apalled with E36 M3 we did as a kid.
No it doesn't. Just because YOU (and I mean YOU as in the general you) were a E36 M3head when you were young does not apply to the rest of us.
Guy was a wannabe gangbanger. I've called the cops before on suspicious people in the neighbourhood. I've gone up to them and talked to them. I've parked my car behind random cars with a person or two parked in them near the park at 1am in the morning with the lights off and not running.
Point is, douchey mcdoucherson had no right, ever, NEVER EVER WHATSOEVER to TOUCH a hair on Zimmerman's head. All of the arguments are strawmen, what if arguments that have no point of discussion.
Fact: Treyvon started beating the piss out of Zimmerman Fact: Zimmerman feared for his life Fact: Zimmerman used deadly force via stand your ground
Those are the only facts here. Everything else is irrelevant.
NOW, does this absolve Zimmerman of RESPONSIBILITY? No. The guy is probably a powertripping wannabe cop. Doesn't matter though, that is his right.
From another thread on another forum:
They put cut outs side by side of the two in court. Martin was a pretty big guy. Taller than Zim. I'm sure if it was pure fisticuffs Zim would have lost. And until the gun got involved he was losing as the evidence seems to imply.
Datsun1500 wrote: In reply to HiTempguy: Is the FACT that Zimmerman had no right to confront Martin irrelevant as well? That's what I can't wrap my head around, the only thing Treyvon was doing was walking home, once Zimmerman confronted him for no reason, does it matter that Martin was bigger and would have one the fight?
conjecture. overruled.
People seem to be throwing around a lot of "facts" here.
Somehow I doubt anyone on here was in the jury to see what was presented, or involved in the investigation, or a witness, or in any way in a position to know the actual facts of the case.
Datsun1500 wrote: In reply to HiTempguy: Is the FACT that Zimmerman had no right to confront Martin irrelevant as well? That's what I can't wrap my head around, the only thing Treyvon was doing was walking home, once Zimmerman confronted him for no reason, does it matter that Martin was bigger and would have one the fight?
How do you know it's a fact that Martin was just "walking home"?
How do you know it was Zimmerman who confronted Martin?
As previously noted, those assertions are more conjecture. Irrefutable evidence was needed to prove the state's case beyond a reasonable doubt. Failure to present such evidence was but one of many committed by the prosecution.
oldsaw wrote:Datsun1500 wrote: In reply to HiTempguy: Is the FACT that Zimmerman had no right to confront Martin irrelevant as well? That's what I can't wrap my head around, the only thing Treyvon was doing was walking home, once Zimmerman confronted him for no reason, does it matter that Martin was bigger and would have one the fight?How do you know it's a fact that Martin was just "walking home"? How do you know it was Zimmerman who confronted Martin? As previously noted, those assertions are more conjecture. Irrefutable evidence was needed to prove the state's case beyond a reasonable doubt. Failure to present such evidence was but one of many committed by the prosecution.
To be fair, it's pretty obvious GZ instigated the confrontation, given the 911 operator told him to quit following, etc.
...and I'm sure all of this was brought up before the jury.
Beer Baron wrote: ...and I'm sure all of this was brought up before the jury.
You and GPS are getting a lot of +1s from me.
Until any of you guys have been harassed over and over by over zealous people (neighborhood watch, wannabe cops, mall security, police et.al.) for just walking about (home, work, school, shopping, at putt putt, etc) you'll never understand. You get tired of it and some decide to fight back(some do this correctly and some don't). That is not conjecture.
Regarding TM being a wannabe gangbanger, that is his choice just as GZ being a wannabe cop. If GZ was dumb enough to follow/escalate and gets his ass whooped, well that's his mistake and he'll pay the price. We know what price TM paid for deciding to take matters into his own hands.
If I'm mistaken, please accept my apology, but that seems strange that is ok for GZ to follow/escalate a situation where a kid who was walking home/around and when he gets his ass whooped, it is ok to shoot him dead because GZ couldn't fight. That is . . . strange
EDIT: Don't mistake . . . I called the verdict long time ago based on the few reports I've been reading regarding the prosecutor's "great" job . . .
So, according to quite a few of you on here, I can now go see what the hell all these people walking up and down my street are doing, while I'm packing heat. I mean, I've never seen them before, they HAVE to be up to something bad, right? And it's my job to make sure they aren't. I just hope one of them tries something... [/sarcasm]
How do some of you know Zimmerman didn't already have his gun out when he confronted Martin?
Strike_Zero wrote: If I'm mistaken, please accept my apology, but that seems strange that is ok for GZ to follow/escalate a situation where a kid who was walking home/around and when he gets his ass whooped, it is ok to shoot him dead because GZ couldn't fight. That is . . . strange .
You are mistaken, greatly. GZ is allowed to say whatever the hell he wants. In this case, from the FACTS presented, that is what he did.
I didn't realize there was a law against following somebody... harassment, yes, there is a law against that, but that is usually a more than one time occurrence.
Also, (this is not fact, but opinion), that looks a "teenie" bit worse than an ass whooping. Descriptions in court are more like "curb stomping". So if we want to get into conjecture and hearsay, that sure goes along well to making your case.
In reply to racerfink:
Why yes, RF . . . And apparently, it's ok to shoot them when they fight back . . .
/sarcasm . . . I guess.
Strike Zero: I was CONSTANTLY harrased when my broke 17 year old rose-colored-glasses-wearing-ass moved into a black neighborhood in Ft. Pierce. Both by the neighbors, and the cops. I moved.
Poop: Glad you had a way out. That E36 M3 isn't a fun ordeal no matter who you are.
Some of us had to bear it and still have bear it no matter where we go.
Strike_Zero wrote: Poop: Glad you had a way out. That E36 M3 isn't a fun ordeal no matter who you are. Some of us had to bear it and still have bear it no matter where we go.
Well, you've got an internet connection, and according to you, close to a dozen cars that are worth more than everything I own, including the stuff that's financed, so I'd start there.
None of us have walked a mile in either of these dudes' shoes, but I'm very familiar with the flip side of the coin too. My bestest bud ran a trailer park that was 95% Mexican/5% white for over ten years. It was absolutely his job to ask "What the berkeley are you doing here?" when someone who had no business in the park was there.
In that situation, car full of black kids or tatt'd up cholos means either they're there to steal E36 M3 or sell/buy drugs. White panel vans sans-ladders and paint stains (according to ICE) warranted a phone call, as the mexican gangs were smuggling kids in for child prostitution.
I don't know the specifics. Just playing devil's advocate. I'm sure all of us wish the whole thing had gone down differently.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: REASONABLE DOUBT /thread I think. I figure. I suppose. All bullE36 M3 words for I do not berkeleying know what happened. Sweet berkeleying Jesus on a fat cock, be glad you can't be convicted on heresay and move the berkeley on.
Best post in the thread.
he did it to someone that lived there.
Nope.
Why didn't Zimmerman have a 'right' to question trayvon?
Even if he walked up to Trayvon calling him out by his Twitter handle. Trayvon still doesn't have a right to smash his face.
you guys, let's mellow out here a bit. I want this to stay civil so there's no need to lock it.
My bad lol . . . I missed what you were talking about.
The references I alluded to were all in the past . . .
Here's some cliff notes:
In most of those, I had no choice or face getting arrested for some dumb E36 M3 while I was getting my BA at USC. The others, I decided to either move or leave to avoid confrontation. But honestly, why berk with me when I'm just trying to live. After awhile, that E36 M3 gets tired. I handled it the best way I could without causing trouble or ran like hell. But, I shouldn't have to do that everytime. . . I should be able to skate, walk, eat, work where I want without having to worry about the commencement of asshattery
Regarding people still going through it, I have a few fam and mentees that are experiencing the same E36 M3 . . .
Did anybody watch the interview with Zimmerman last year? Replaying on Fox right now.
Datsun1500 wrote:poopshovel wrote:Yes. He was at his Fathers house. What was he doing at the time? Breaking into a house? Robbing someone? That's right, he was walking back from the store, what a crime.he did it to someone that lived there.Nope.
No. He was VISITING his father's fiance's house. That does not mean he "lived" there. He was walking between two houses, in the dark, in the rain when Zimmerman called the cops.
In reply to JoeyM:
I agree, everyone is taking the bait for this one too easily.
I agree with GPS, as the jury has spoken, everything otherwise is hearsay.
JoeyM wrote: you guys, let's mellow out here a bit. I want this to stay civil so there's no need to lock it.
Could be applied to the interenet in general:
According to Bill Maher on his show, there were 8 burglaries in the same neighborhood in the past year. That's why GZ started the community watch.
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