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914Driver
914Driver MegaDork
8/13/13 9:08 a.m.

He is engraved in stone in the National War Memorial in Washington , DC- back in a small alcove where very few people have seen it. For the WWII generation, this will bring back memories. For you younger folks, it's a bit of trivia that is a part of our American history. Anyone born in 1913 to about 1950, is familiar with Kilroy. No one knew why he was so well known- but everybody seemed to get into it.

So who was Kilroy?

In 1946 the American Transit Association, through its radio program, "Speak to America ," sponsored a nationwide contest to find the real Kilroy, offering a prize of a real trolley car to the person who could prove himself to be the genuine article. Almost 40 men stepped forward to make that claim, but only James Kilroy from Halifax , Massachusetts , had evidence of his identity.

'Kilroy' was a 46-year old shipyard worker during the war who worked as a checker at the Fore River Shipyard in Quincy . His job was to go around and check on the number of rivets completed. Riveters were on piecework and got paid by the rivet. He would count a block of rivets and put a check mark in semi-waxed lumber chalk, so the rivets wouldn't be counted twice. When Kilroy went off duty, the riveters would erase the mark.

Later on, an off-shift inspector would come through and count the rivets a second time, resulting in double pay for the riveters.

One day Kilroy's boss called him into his office. The foreman was upset about all the wages being paid to riveters, and asked him to investigate. It was then he realized what had been going on. The tight spaces he had to crawl in to check the rivets didn't lend themselves to lugging around a paint can and brush, so Kilroy decided to stick with the waxy chalk. He continued to put his check mark on each job he inspected, but added 'KILROY WAS HERE' in king-sized letters next to the check, and eventually added the sketch of the chap with the long nose peering over the fence and that became part of the Kilroy message.

Once he did that, the riveters stopped trying to wipe away his marks. Ordinarily the rivets and chalk marks would have been covered up with paint. With the war on, however, ships were leaving the Quincy Yard so fast that there wasn't time to paint them. As a result, Kilroy's inspection "trademark" was seen by thousands of servicemen who boarded the troopships the yard produced.

His message apparently rang a bell with the servicemen, because they picked it up and spread it all over Europe and the South Pacific.

Before war's end, "Kilroy" had been here, there, and everywhere on the long hauls to Berlin and Tokyo . To the troops outbound in those ships, however, he was a complete mystery; all they knew for sure was that someone named Kilroy had "been there first." As a joke, U.S. servicemen began placing the graffiti wherever they landed, claiming it was already there when they arrived.

Kilroy became the U.S. super-GI who had always "already been" wherever GIs went. It became a challenge to place the logo in the most unlikely places imaginable (it is said to be atop Mt. Everest , the Statue of Liberty , the underside of the Arc de Triomphe, and even scrawled in the dust on the moon.

As the war went on, the legend grew. Underwater demolition teams routinely sneaked ashore on Japanese-held islands in the Pacific to map the terrain for coming invasions by U.S. troops (and thus, presumably, were the first GI's there). On one occasion, however, they reported seeing enemy troops painting over the Kilroy logo!

In 1945, an outhouse was built for the exclusive use of Roosevelt, Stalin, and Churchill at the Potsdam conference. Its' first occupant was Stalin, who emerged and asked his aide (in Russian), "Who is Kilroy?"

To help prove his authenticity in 1946, James Kilroy brought along officials from the shipyard and some of the riveters. He won the trolley car, which he gave to his nine children as a Christmas gift and set it up as a playhouse in the Kilroy yard in Halifax , Massachusetts .

Woody
Woody MegaDork
8/13/13 9:12 a.m.

Name that movie:

Anti-stance
Anti-stance UltraDork
8/13/13 9:16 a.m.

That is a pretty cool story.

fasted58
fasted58 PowerDork
8/13/13 9:17 a.m.

Kelly's Heroes

SyntheticBlinkerFluid
SyntheticBlinkerFluid UberDork
8/13/13 9:17 a.m.

I had always seen the "Kilroy Was Here" pictures, even drew some myself when I was a kid, and I knew it was something related to WWII, but I didn't actual know the history.

Thanks for the history lesson Dan!

Ian F
Ian F PowerDork
8/13/13 9:18 a.m.

In reply to Woody:

Kelly's Heroes.

failboat
failboat SuperDork
8/13/13 9:19 a.m.

I am what you would call, that younger generation.

Thanks for sharing.

Tom_Spangler
Tom_Spangler Dork
8/13/13 9:27 a.m.

Wait, this isn't about the Styx album?

Rob_Mopar
Rob_Mopar SuperDork
8/13/13 9:41 a.m.
Tom_Spangler wrote: Wait, this isn't about the Styx album?

No Mr. Roboto, it isn't.

e_pie
e_pie HalfDork
8/13/13 9:49 a.m.
failboat wrote: I am what you would call, that younger generation. Thanks for sharing.

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good story!

PHeller
PHeller UberDork
8/13/13 9:53 a.m.

It's kinda hard to find images of the logo on equipment during the war. It seems like its been so overly used that the original placement is somewhat lost to history.

914Driver
914Driver MegaDork
8/13/13 10:18 a.m.
failboat wrote: I am what you would call, that younger generation. Thanks for sharing.

I'm much younger than Kilroy myself.

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
8/13/13 10:21 a.m.
SyntheticBlinkerFluid wrote: I had always seen the "Kilroy Was Here" pictures, even drew some myself when I was a kid, and I knew it was something related to WWII, but I didn't actual know the history. Thanks for the history lesson Dan!

+1

Thanks, Dan!

SilverFleet
SilverFleet SuperDork
8/13/13 10:24 a.m.

I work in Quincy, MA, and grew up right up the street from the Quincy Shipyard (in Hingham, MA). I've heard this one before.

What is cool is that the USS Salem, a WWII-era heavy cruiser, is permanently stationed as a floating museum alongside the Quincy Shipyard, where it was originally built. I got to check out the ship a couple years ago on a "haunted tour", which was a little hokey but interesting nonetheless. It didn't see service in WWII (it actually launched in '47) but it's a great tribute to the era.

Basil Exposition
Basil Exposition HalfDork
8/13/13 10:25 a.m.

I was familiar with the legend, but didn't know that Kilroy was actually ever identified. Thanks for sharing.

petegossett
petegossett UberDork
8/13/13 11:25 a.m.

Growing up, I was always told "Kilroy was here" was a mark of a father who got a girl pregnant then disappeared. No idea where that concept came from, but it's very interesting now hearing the truth!

Mazdax605
Mazdax605 SuperDork
8/13/13 11:26 a.m.

And to think I drove through Halifax, Massachusetts today, and heck almost everyday, and didn't know this story. You learn something new everyday.

Cone_Junky
Cone_Junky Dork
8/13/13 11:31 a.m.

Thanks for sharing. That's a great story

yamaha
yamaha PowerDork
8/13/13 11:50 a.m.

Very cool.

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 UberDork
8/13/13 11:55 a.m.
petegossett wrote: Growing up, I was always told "Kilroy was here" was a mark of a father who got a girl pregnant then disappeared. No idea where that concept came from, but it's very interesting now hearing the truth!

Sounds like someone got "Kilroy" confused with "Kokopelli."

"There are many myths of the famous Kokopelli. One of which is that he traveled from village to village bringing the changing of winter to spring; melting the snow and bringing about rain for a successful harvest. It is also said that the hunch on his back depicted the sacks of seeds and songs he carried. Legend also has it that the flute playing also symbolized the transition of winter to spring. Kokopelli’s flute is said to be heard in the spring’s breeze, while bringing warmth. It is also said that he was the source of human conception. Legend has it, everyone in the village would sing and dance throughout the night when they heard Kokopelli play his flute. The next morning, every maiden in the village would be with child."

http://www.indigenouspeople.net/kokopelli.htm

Rusted_Busted_Spit
Rusted_Busted_Spit UltraDork
8/13/13 1:07 p.m.

Thanks for sharing.

Conquest351
Conquest351 UltraDork
8/13/13 1:52 p.m.

I remember seeing the markings on old Bugs Bunny cartoons. Loved those things. LOL

Trans_Maro
Trans_Maro UltraDork
8/13/13 1:56 p.m.
1988RedT2 wrote: Legend has it, everyone in the village would sing and dance throughout the night when they heard Kokopelli play his flute. The next morning, every maiden in the village would be with child."

You're thinking Kobe, not Kokopelli.

pinchvalve
pinchvalve UltimaDork
8/13/13 2:17 p.m.

I learned something today. I should go home now.

yamaha
yamaha PowerDork
8/13/13 2:42 p.m.
pinchvalve wrote: I learned something today. I should go home now.

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