mguar wrote: I lost my career when the housing crisis hit! Since then I've applied for tens of thousands of jobs. Rarely did any application result in an interview and when they did my age (63 nearly 64) prevented me from being hired.
That's odd. Any time I go to either a Home Depot or a Lowes, easily half the sales folks are well over 50, if not over 60.
and I see "now hiring" signs at different places every wk ... they don't pay much and you'd end up loosing money by taking one of them ( assuming you've found a way onto the public dole ) but there still are jobs
I'll be out of work sometime this summer, retired .... (a bit earlier than planned, but it's the only way I can see to care for my Mom without resorting to an assisted living center ) but I really don't think it'll be all that hard to find a part time job ... < shrug >
I get at least 100 "matches" a week via CareerBuilder delivered to me in my inbox...
There's jobs. Lots of them. At least here.
fast_eddie_72 wrote:poopshovel wrote: How old are you, fast eddie?Old enough to know better. But you certainly do a good job countering my observation. Keen insight. Hadn't thought of it that way. Watch it again. Fester some more.
Jesus man, really? Your age is relevant. In order for your post to be an "observation" about anything, you'd have to actually "observe" something. So if you were E36 M3ting your pants while Reginald Denny was getting his face bashed in with a brick, you might be able to learn something by watching this.
By your logic, the Nazis were an opressed group. Should we say "I don't excuse what they did, but I don't pretend not to understand what provoked it."
Stop being a berkeleying smartass for two seconds, and open your eyes and ears. You might learn something.
1988RedT2 wrote:
....courtesy of Grampy Troll (who, hilariously still has absolutely no berkeleying clue what this thread is about,) and his boy-genius prodigy.
April 26th, 1992,
there was a riot on the streets,
tell me where were you?
You were sittin' home watchin' your TV,
while I was paticipatin' in some anarchy.
poopshovel wrote: Jesus man, really? Your age is relevant. In order for your post to be an "observation" about anything, you'd have to actually "observe" something. So if you were E36 M3ting your pants while Reginald Denny was getting his face bashed in with a brick, you might be able to learn something by watching this. By your logic, the Nazis were an opressed group. Should we say "I don't excuse what they did, but I don't pretend not to understand what provoked it." Stop being a berkeleying smartass for two seconds, and open your eyes and ears. You might learn something.
I'm in my mid 40s, well old enough to remember the whole ball of wax. I was just trying to point out that there is another side. Wasn't trying to be a "smart ass".
Nazis?
It's a free country and you're welcome to your opinion. I'll leave you to it. Clearly you're not interested in hearing mine.
fast_eddie_72 wrote:poopshovel wrote: Jesus man, really? Your age is relevant. In order for your post to be an "observation" about anything, you'd have to actually "observe" something. So if you were E36 M3ting your pants while Reginald Denny was getting his face bashed in with a brick, you might be able to learn something by watching this. By your logic, the Nazis were an opressed group. Should we say "I don't excuse what they did, but I don't pretend not to understand what provoked it." Stop being a berkeleying smartass for two seconds, and open your eyes and ears. You might learn something.I'm in my mid 40s, well old enough to remember the whole ball of wax. I was just trying to point out that there is another side. Wasn't trying to be a "smart ass". Nazis?
American Revolution?
I am aware there is another side. I'm not shocked by the behavior of the looter class; using any excuse to steal E36 M3 and destroy the American dream for people who don't look like them and owe them something.
What's shocking is that once the dust has settled, tensions are not as high, LA has a police chief who's very involved in the E36 M3 hole community, and everyone is 20 years older, everyone who was interviewed (including the guy who yanked Denny from a truck and damned near killed him) was not only unrepentant, but was nostagic and proud.
Well. I'll give it a shot, without the inflammatory rhetoric.
A case could certainly be made that black people in America haven't always been treated fairly. A case could be made that the LAPD had a pattern of treating blacks unfairly. I remember the video of Denny being pulled from his truck and hit with a brick. It's a shockingly violent and ugly image that I remember very well.
I also remember the video of King being beaten pretty badly- not by street thugs, but by police officers- a group of them. If you give any credence to the idea that there was a racist element in the LAPD, you can understand the outrage. The video was seen as proof of what many had said for a good while. And the verdict was seen as a confirmation that the problem was systemic, not isolated to a few bad apples. That's the other side, in a nut shell.
The whole gangster deal in general is a reaction of a group of people who feel they have no power. If you feel powerless, you can see why the image of a thug is attractive. And if you think there is any legitimacy to concerns about systemic racism, you have to understand why some feel powerless. Should they turn into street thugs and riot when they have an excuse? Of course not. It's a reaction that "feels good in the moment" but does more harm than good. All the same, I certainly see how many who follow that, er, lifestyle or whatever you want to call it would look at those riots and say "that's where we made a stand".
As you say, things have changed a lot. The police chief seems to be concerned with the citizens of the community. Would that have happened without the riots? I hope so, but I'm not sure. Again, it's not a mind-set I share- I've had things pretty easy. But if I did share that mind set I probably would feel nostalgic about the riots if I felt like they led to positive change.
It's just another way to look at things. Man, I'll tell you, I'm glad about a lot of things, but way up there is where I was born and who my parents were. If I'd been born in south-central LA, with a drug addicted mom and no dad, I don't want to think about where I might have ended up. I'd like to think that I'd take a wider view and find a way out. But I don't know. It's one of those "walk a mile in my shoes" kinda things.
In reply to mguar:
If there's been 10,000 job openings in you area in the last couple years, i would call that a VERY healthy job market.
mguar wrote:92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: I get at least 100 "matches" a week via CareerBuilder delivered to me in my inbox... There's jobs. Lots of them. At least here.Only a hundred? I probably get that many daily.. Of that hundred almost none of them will pay anything. I'm not saying the wages are low I'm saying there is no wage paid.. period!!!!!!! It's called straight commission.
I only get weekly updates. I'm not looking. What i can say with a lot of certainty is that your particular situation is not normal and you can't really consider yourself a barometer for today's general state of affairs.
Fast Eddie: I understand what you're saying. What I don't understand is how targeting Korean business owners sends a message to LAPD.
Every one of those berkeleyers who beat Rodney King should've gone to jail. No one is making excuses for them, talking about "walking a mile in their shoes" (dealing with the absolute bottom of the barrel of America day in & out,) nor should they.
I was bussed into the ghetto as a kid, and lived in the same ghetto when I was eighteen. Being poor is no berkeleying excuse for being a thief. I'm not "lucky" that my parents raised me the way they did. They grew up in EXTREME poverty; poverty the food-stamp sucking looters can't comprehend. But they didn't steal. They didn't take out their frustrations by destroying their neighbors' property. They made good decisions that afforded me and my siblings a much better life than they had.
Sorry if I can't relate to crackhead mommies. Poverty is having to kill/grow your own food, not stand around with your mouth open and hand out, crying about how hard life is.
In reply to poopshovel:
I hear what you're saying. I really do. And, really, if that's all you can see in this, then there's not much to talk about. Yes, the men who beat King may well have deserved to go to jail, and they didn't. No one is making excuses for them? Someone did. I think that's what started the whole thing. And, honestly, we're not talking about "poor people". As I explained at length, there's a fair history to consider here. And I'll agree with you 100% that I don't want to walk a mile in those officer's shoes either. Just like I don't want to be in George Zimmerman's shoes now. It has to be a terrible position to find yourself in.
You're clearly very emotional about the whole thing and not open to hearing any other point of view, so I'll leave it at that. Nothing personal. There are things that get me all stirred up too and there's probably nothing anyone could say to change my mind. We can agree that the looters were wrong. I guess I just don't feel the hatred and rage for them that you do. I just think it's damn sad that in America there are so many people who feel they have nothing to lose.
I never understood what a black friend of mine called being guilty of "driving while black" until I was following him one day. He was in a silver Saturn, nothing special and I was in the work van, white with primer showing where the paint had literally fallen off and more dents than it had straight panels.
The cop that went the other way ignored my rolling DOT failure.. but damn near twisted his neck off to check my friend in the Saturn.
mguar wrote:92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:There are officially 12.7 million Americans like me.. Actually I'm not even part of that 12.7 because since I no longer receive any unemployment benefit I'm classified as a discouraged worker.. (in spite of my efforts to the contrary) That should be some indicator of the state of affairs that exists.. How about 50% of college graduates cannot find work let alone employment in the field they trained in? Yet some CEO's make hundred million dollar or more bonuses even when the company they run loses value for the share holders?mguar wrote:I only get weekly updates. I'm not looking. What i can say with a lot of certainty is that your particular situation is not normal and you can't really consider yourself a barometer for today's general state of affairs.92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: I get at least 100 "matches" a week via CareerBuilder delivered to me in my inbox... There's jobs. Lots of them. At least here.Only a hundred? I probably get that many daily.. Of that hundred almost none of them will pay anything. I'm not saying the wages are low I'm saying there is no wage paid.. period!!!!!!! It's called straight commission.
You're missing my point.
Back to the riots!
My post went missing (talking about following the masses) and yet somehow there are posts about jobs?
PHeller wrote: My post went missing (talking about following the masses) and yet somehow there are posts about jobs?
I have had a few post disappear and I am noticing a lot of post being made but then the message doesn't appear...
I think something is going on with the forum...
WTF is going on with the board? I just made a post and it isn't appearing...
I have noticed it too... it is weird when people are quoting a post of mine that is no longer there
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