LAPD on a rampage....o.O

GameboyRMH wrote: Here comes another Waco conspiracy, seems that the cabin caught fire due to tear gas canisters the cops shot in: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/13/us/lapd-manhunt/index.html

people listening to the radio traffic on scanners and online heard them say "we're going to go ahead with the burn" .. "that we talked about" then "7 burners deployed" and shortly after, the fire was reported in the cabin, and then they were heard saying "hold FD, 3-4 walls not fully involved yet"

in other words, it was pretty obvious that they wanted to burn the place down.

N Sperlo wrote:

Bobzilla wrote: Thinking of all the rounds they expended in multiple situations and the only bullet to actually kill someone was his. If I was an LEO in socal, I'd be embarassed as hell.

Well, until you're in that situation, you'll just have to assume.

I've been in a couple of those thousands of times.... I've had pickup trucks with two women in them in front of me before. Never once did I unload everything I have into their BACKS before confirming they were indeed a threat. Hell, I've even been hit by a white guy in the car before and never once did I put a bunch of bullets through his windshield.

wbjones wrote: well, there was a crispy body pulled from the cabin ... no verification if it's his

how many times did they shoot it to make sure it was dead?

Strizzo wrote:

GameboyRMH wrote: Here comes another Waco conspiracy, seems that the cabin caught fire due to tear gas canisters the cops shot in: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/13/us/lapd-manhunt/index.html

people listening to the radio traffic on scanners and online heard them say "we're going to go ahead with the burn" .. "that we talked about" then "7 burners deployed" and shortly after, the fire was reported in the cabin, and then they were heard saying "hold FD, 3-4 walls not fully involved yet" in other words, it was pretty obvious that they wanted to burn the place down.

I guess to serve and protect goes out the window when the cops are the ones being targeted. I hope the owner of the cabin sues them for willful destruction of property.

mad_machine wrote:

wbjones wrote: well, there was a crispy body pulled from the cabin ... no verification if it's his

how many times did they try to shoot it to make sure it was dead?

Fixed

The gunfire I heard on the news this morning sounded like mag dumps. You can't hit squat doing mag dumps.

LAPD have a lot of explaining that they won't do.

aussiesmg wrote: LAPD have a lot of explaining that they won't do.

Agreed.

Strizzo wrote:

GameboyRMH wrote: Here comes another Waco conspiracy, seems that the cabin caught fire due to tear gas canisters the cops shot in: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/13/us/lapd-manhunt/index.html

people listening to the radio traffic on scanners and online heard them say "we're going to go ahead with the burn" .. "that we talked about" then "7 burners deployed" and shortly after, the fire was reported in the cabin, and then they were heard saying "hold FD, 3-4 walls not fully involved yet" in other words, it was pretty obvious that they wanted to burn the place down.

Are you serious?

GameboyRMH wrote:

Strizzo wrote:

GameboyRMH wrote: Here comes another Waco conspiracy, seems that the cabin caught fire due to tear gas canisters the cops shot in: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/13/us/lapd-manhunt/index.html

people listening to the radio traffic on scanners and online heard them say "we're going to go ahead with the burn" .. "that we talked about" then "7 burners deployed" and shortly after, the fire was reported in the cabin, and then they were heard saying "hold FD, 3-4 walls not fully involved yet" in other words, it was pretty obvious that they wanted to burn the place down.

Are you serious?

Are you surprised? I am not.

no kidding. can you substantiate that?

belteshazzar wrote: no kidding. can you substantiate that?

I am NOT advocating any of these sources, but here is what I have found:

http://www.infowars.com/lapd-audio-from-dorner-siege-burn-this-motherberkeleyer/

Which supposedly contains police audio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNk-bV40XMc&feature=youtu.be

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-manhunt-charred-human-remains-found-in-burned-cabin.html

In reply to tuna55:

Beat me to it.

rotard wrote:

aussiesmg wrote: LAPD have a lot of explaining that they won't do.

Agreed.

This, the officers who opened fire with no threat present need to be charged with attempted murder. That is bullE36 M3.

Of all the stupid stuff I've seen LAPD and others do in the past week or so, burning this guy out is one thing I don't have a problem with. Had he shown any willingness to surrender, I'd say the police had some obligation to take him alive. By his actions, especially in the last 24 hours, he made it clear he had no intentions of giving up and would shoot anyone who got in his way. He had already shot an killed one officer and wounded another. He had already proven that he could not be safely contained, so waiting him out was not an option. As unpleasant as burning someone out may be, any other option would have only unnecessarily risked the lives of others. As for withholding the FD, do you want to be the one who gets FD/EMS shot because the guy you thought was dead wasn't? Sure, it sounds horrible to burn someone out, and it is, but what other options do you propose here?

The LAPD has a long history of burning down houses housing "suspects" by just dumping tear gas canisters into them until the house catches on fire. You youngsters should google up "SLA" (Simbionese Liberation Army) and see how that ended for them. The Hurst family was just lucky Patty wasn't there at the time. The bullet holes were still in surrounding buildings for decades. Probably still there.

Oh, and this cabin that got accidentally burnt to the the ground? It was about 1 mile from my parents house. The highway was blocked off just at their subdivision.

(As a side note, "Quansa" is based on the SLA manifesto thingie. Happy belated Quansa.)

GameboyRMH wrote:

Strizzo wrote:

GameboyRMH wrote: Here comes another Waco conspiracy, seems that the cabin caught fire due to tear gas canisters the cops shot in: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/13/us/lapd-manhunt/index.html

people listening to the radio traffic on scanners and online heard them say "we're going to go ahead with the burn" .. "that we talked about" then "7 burners deployed" and shortly after, the fire was reported in the cabin, and then they were heard saying "hold FD, 3-4 walls not fully involved yet" in other words, it was pretty obvious that they wanted to burn the place down.

Are you serious?

Yeah. As soon as I heard "tear gas" I knew what was coming next. Call me a conspiracy whacko if you'd like. I don't even need to hear the scanner recordings. Did you not see the place burning to the berkeleying ground with no effort to put the fire out?

what other options do you propose here?

Learning how to berkeleying shoot? How to apprehend a subject without destroying a couple hundred grand worth of someone's private property and family heirlooms? Conducting a berkeleying investigation without unloading on unarmed citizens who don't even look ANYTHING like the SUSPECT??? I dunno. Those are just the first couple things that come to mind.

poopshovel wrote:

what other options do you propose here?

Learning how to berkeleying shoot? How to apprehend a subject without destroying a couple hundred grand worth of someone's private property and family heirlooms? Conducting a berkeleying investigation without unloading on unarmed citizens who don't even look ANYTHING like the SUSPECT??? I dunno. Those are just the first couple things that come to mind.

That's a good start.

Bobzilla wrote:

poopshovel wrote:

what other options do you propose here?

Learning how to berkeleying shoot? How to apprehend a subject without destroying a couple hundred grand worth of someone's private property and family heirlooms? Conducting a berkeleying investigation without unloading on unarmed citizens who don't even look ANYTHING like the SUSPECT??? I dunno. Those are just the first couple things that come to mind.

That's a good start.

I don't understand how some people aren't upset by these things, but cry bloody murder about collateral damage during war.

On a treadmill at lunch today; Talking Heads report cabin burned to the ground but they found the runaway cop's driver's license in the place.

? ? ?

Bobzilla wrote:

poopshovel wrote:

what other options do you propose here?

Learning how to berkeleying shoot? How to apprehend a subject without destroying a couple hundred grand worth of someone's private property and family heirlooms? Conducting a berkeleying investigation without unloading on unarmed citizens who don't even look ANYTHING like the SUSPECT??? I dunno. Those are just the first couple things that come to mind.

That's a good start.

Sad to say, it appears the police were outmatched in the shooting department. Notice my comments were about burning the house, and only burning the house. Unloading on the good paper delivery folk of the world is unconscionable, and hopefully the appropriate individuals will receive "involuntary career redirection". The simple fact is Dorner knew how to shoot as well, if not better than, responding officers, and there was really no point in more of them getting shot/killed. Its unfortunate that someone's home was destroyed, but if its my home he's holed up in and either it burns or someone else gets killed unnecessarily, I'll set the fire myself. I'm sure the owners will be well compensated. Continuing to shoot it out with him was only going to get more people killed and the end result was going to be the same. BTW, if this is really about property damage, from the audio I've heard, anything inside the home (except perhaps the suspect) already had several hundred bullet holes in it.

914Driver wrote: On a treadmill at lunch today; Talking Heads report cabin burned to the ground but they found the runaway cop's driver's license in the place. ? ? ?

The same license which was supposedly found in a trash can along with his other ID near the mexico boarder last Thursday? Makes ya go hmmmmm doesn't it?

How about set up a perimeter and wait him out? That's usually what they do, rather than killing a suspect. This man never had a chance. He was tried, convicted and executed by the LAPD before he EVER got a chance.