In reply to alfadriver:
Yeah, I point out that Ford Credit needed a bailout. It's a fact, isn't it? Doesn't mean that I didn't support it (I actually supported all of our bailouts, except where they killed Pontiac). I also point out that many foreign automakers received bailouts in their homelands, including the French, Italians, Germans, Japanese, and Korean ones.
In reply to Javelin:
I personally know many SHO's were taken in due to the "stumble" and garbage OE Michelins.....so theres that.
In reply to everyone else entering the thread:
May we also note that you are not "forced" to get the sync mytouch. My family has bought 4 new fords in the last 2 years and none have that. 
In reply to yamaha:
Thankfully you can still get a Mustang GT (even with the Track Pack/Brembos/Recaros) without any SYNC or MyFord at all.
And that ends any Ford a GRMer would buy 
still surprised there are no Chryslers on the list. Have they really cleaned up their act that much?
In reply to mad_machine:
I'd say so, but then I'd be branded some sort of Ram-lover by z31.
The funny thing is event the "least reliable" new car today is going to be about 100x better than the best car from ~15 years ago, and 1,000x better than 30 years ago. The bar has just been raised so far we really demand complete perfection from them.
not so sure about the ~15 yr old cars being so bad .. I bought an Acura Integra new in '01 ... it's NEVER been to the dealer for anything other than oil changes ... and I stopped that after the first yr .. it has been my DD, my a-x car (STS and DSP), my track day car, and is now my trip car ... the only problem I've ever experienced with it is a random/intermittent door lock weirdness, and slow window motors ...
now maybe it skews the results/theory because it's a Honda ?
mad_machine wrote: still surprised there are no Chryslers on the list. Have they really cleaned up their act that much?
See my comment at the top of page 2......they're still the same old Chrysler we knew and loved......it just seems that none of their owners could return the surveys.....
I can't stand survey-based reports. They are such BS. I can sell a pile of junk to a mechanic and he would say its the best car ever. You can sell a flawless Corolla to a dumbass and you'll never hear the end of it.
I always got a kick out of crime rates, too. Did you know that Bel Air and Beverly Hills have higher crime rates than South Central and East L.A.? No E36 M3. There could be five murders in broad daylight in South Central that don't ever get a phone call, but someone in Bel Air calls the cops every time the neighbor's dog barks.
Javelin wrote:Osterkraut wrote:Oh hey, thought you got perma-banned last time.yamaha wrote:Lol another famous Javi statement of fact gets squashed with actual factJavelin wrote:Contrary to what was in CR......DaveEstey wrote: It's their infotainment system. You are forced to get it in just about any Ford vehicle.FTFY. Also, the CR report here is for *mechanical issues only*, so this half list of Fords has 0% to do with Sync, unless it actually physically went kaput.Consumer Reports said: When it comes to Ford and its luxury brand, Lincoln, Fisher says the brand appears to have tried to have made too many changes at once. The magazine says of the 31 Ford models in its survey, only one was above average, the F-150 pickup with a 3.7-liter V-6 engine. Ford vehicles took a hit for confusing infotainment systems, its MyFord Touch with Sync, a problem that the company has acknowledged and said is fixing.
More Javi facts. I've never been even temp banned once. Well I did get banned from Gawker Media for a comment on a Jezebel/Jalopnik crosspost. Seriously that chubbo did not need to be making a food truck tracking app.
But let's move on. You said this:
Javelin said: Also, the CR report here is for mechanical issues only, so this half list of Fords has 0% to do with Sync, unless it actually physically went kaput.
And then by your own admission (and Fords) start listing problems caused by bad software. Thus making your statement that the CR report is for mechanical issues only well, totally wrong. You could argue you bought yourself some breathing room by saying "physically went kaput," but software problems are generally not viewed as physical problems.
Javelin wrote: In reply to mad_machine: I'd say so, but then I'd be branded some sort of Ram-lover by z31. The funny thing is event the "least reliable" new car today is going to be about 100x better than the best car from ~15 years ago, and 1,000x better than 30 years ago. The bar has just been raised so far we really demand complete perfection from them.
and yet people still think cars are trash after 100,000 miles..
Javelin wrote: The funny thing is event the "least reliable" new car today is going to be about 100x better than the best car from ~15 years ago, and 1,000x better than 30 years ago. The bar has just been raised so far we really demand complete perfection from them.
Across the US market (mostly domestics) maybe, but it doesn't take much looking to see the reduced quality in today's Japanese cars compared to those of 15-20 years ago, or the German ones from 30 years ago. Or diesel trucks prior to this latest wave of emissions regulations.
Kind of a stretch to call a frozen touchscreen a "mechanical problem."
mad_machine wrote:Javelin wrote: In reply to mad_machine: I'd say so, but then I'd be branded some sort of Ram-lover by z31. The funny thing is event the "least reliable" new car today is going to be about 100x better than the best car from ~15 years ago, and 1,000x better than 30 years ago. The bar has just been raised so far we really demand complete perfection from them.and yet people still think cars are trash after 100,000 miles..
GOD BLESS THOSE PEOPLE!!!
Flight Service wrote:Bobzilla wrote:Spectra, Rio, Sportage, Forte. All driven by my mother on the pristine roads in south FL. All squeak, all feel cheap. As crap as a car as they build right now the new Jetta's interior feels better than all but the premium Hyundai.Flight Service wrote:I completely disagree. On our 4th now and I have my first rattle in the Forte. That's likely due to the suspension beating the ever loving crap out of it. Paint, on the other hand, well that's been E36 M3ty forever. But the interiors are much better than most of their competitors IMO. Unless you're talking base base uber base models.Flight Service wrote: Least reliable vehicles, listed in order of Ratings score starting with the worst score. 9. Hyundai Genesis Coupe* Why: Transmission Minor/Squeaks and Rattles/Paint TrimI am so glad someone called them on this. That is my one gripe about the Hyundai/Kia brand. Textures of the interiors fell cheap and they rattle.
Currently own two of those you listed. Both driven in the harshness that is the Salt belt. One rattle that I hear occasionally in the Forte after surviving a summer on super stiff coilivers and horrid roads.
dculberson wrote: Kind of a stretch to call a frozen touchscreen a "mechanical problem."
Even when said touchscreen is the only way to control your climate control? Yeah, thought so.
In reply to Javelin:
But it's not. BTDT. There are always secondary contols for the HVAC system.
Just like there are new cars that GRM people would be interested in that you can avoid getting Touch on. There are a lot of Mustangs, the fiesta that GRM has is very basic, and I'm planning on a basic Focus SE. Oh, and the fuel economy people who want a 1.0l GTDI can't even get Touch (which is odd).
Kenny_McCormic wrote:Javelin wrote: The funny thing is event the "least reliable" new car today is going to be about 100x better than the best car from ~15 years ago, and 1,000x better than 30 years ago. The bar has just been raised so far we really demand complete perfection from them.Across the US market (mostly domestics) maybe, but it doesn't take much looking to see the reduced quality in today's Japanese cars compared to those of 15-20 years ago, or the German ones from 30 years ago. Or diesel trucks prior to this latest wave of emissions regulations.
Or look at the cars the US is selling to China to see that they are getting the better interiors than we are
mad_machine wrote:Kenny_McCormic wrote:Or look at the cars the US is selling to China to see that they are getting the better interiors than we areJavelin wrote: The funny thing is event the "least reliable" new car today is going to be about 100x better than the best car from ~15 years ago, and 1,000x better than 30 years ago. The bar has just been raised so far we really demand complete perfection from them.Across the US market (mostly domestics) maybe, but it doesn't take much looking to see the reduced quality in today's Japanese cars compared to those of 15-20 years ago, or the German ones from 30 years ago. Or diesel trucks prior to this latest wave of emissions regulations.
do you have any examples of that, or is that just conjecture?
(FWIW, the Chinese new car market is quite a bit bigger than the US's. it's up to over 20M new cars a year)
alfadriver wrote: In reply to bravenrace: Depends on who you ask. Most would not, but I'm sure there's a group who were offended by the loan. I don't. But one could easily extend the GM and Chrysler bailout to us- if not for that, I think Ford would have been forced to close doors, too. Too many suppliers would have been lost in an instant.
And Toyota, And Honda, And BMW and and and. Every Auto Manufacturer who builds cars on this continent (not just the USA) was in support of the bailouts as if the company’s had gone down, so would the supply base, so would all of them. Also every other developed country except this one has a decent healthcare system. i.e. Government run so they all get help there, plus the Japan, China, Korea and all European countries governments help support their auto industry, yet I don't see people saying I'm not buying a Toyota because they receive Government assistance.
OK OK Adrian, calm down, take a chill pill.
mad_machine wrote: Or look at the cars the US is selling to China to see that they are getting the better interiors than we are
That's a great joke, thanks, I needed a little light relief after my rant.
You will never convince the Amurica carz iz bad crowd otherwise.
You know if Ford was still vertically integrated still this wouldn't have been a problem. 
:I am going as a troll for halloween:
curtis73 wrote: ...Did you know that Bel Air and Beverly Hills have higher crime rates than South Central....
Totally untrue!!! The crime rate in South Central is zero.
Know why?
Because there is no South Central, they call it South LA now....
...because it was getting too bad of a reputation...
...uhm, yeah, that'll fix it...
aircooled wrote:curtis73 wrote: ...Did you know that Bel Air and Beverly Hills have higher crime rates than South Central....Totally untrue!!! The crime rate in South Central is zero. Know why? Because there is no South Central, they call it South LA now.... ...because it was getting too bad of a reputation... ...uhm, yeah, that'll fix it...
Perception is reality, facts can be negotiated. Never forget that.
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