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BBsGarage
BBsGarage HalfDork
2/16/12 7:49 a.m.

http://www.nccivitas.org/2012/state-inspectors-searching-childrens-lunch-boxes-this-isnt-china-is-it/

A mother in Hoke County complains her daughter was forced to eat a school lunch because a government inspector determined her home-made lunch did not meet nutrition requirements. In fact, all of the students in the NC Pre-K program classroom at West Hoke Elementary School in Raeford had to accept a school lunch in addition to their lunches brought from home.

NC Pre-K (before this year known as More at Four) is a state-funded education program designed to “enhance school readiness” for four year-olds.

The mother, who doesn’t wish to be identified at this time, says she made her daughter a lunch that contained a turkey and cheese sandwich, a banana, apple juice and potato chips. A state inspector assessing the pre-K program at the school said the girl also needed a vegetable, so the inspector ordered a full school lunch tray for her. While the four-year-old was still allowed to eat her home lunch, the girl was forced to take a helping of chicken nuggets, milk, a fruit and a vegetable to supplement her sack lunch.

The mother says the girl was so intimidated by the inspection process that she was too scared to eat all of her homemade lunch. The girl ate only the chicken nuggets provided to her by the school, so she still didn’t eat a vegetable.

The mother says her daughter doesn’t like vegetables and – like most four year olds – will only eat them at home under close supervision.

In an interview with the Civitas Institute the mother said “I can’t put vegetables in her lunchbox. I’m not a millionaire and I’m not going to put something in there that my daughter doesn’t eat and I’ve done gone round and round with the teacher about that and I’ve told her that. I put fruit in there every day because she is a fruit eater. Vegetables, let me take care of my business at home and at night and that’s when I see she’s eating vegetables. I either have to smash it or tell her if you don’t eat your vegetables you’re going to go to bed.”

The mother added, “It’s just a headache to keep arguing and fighting. I’ve even wrote a note to her teachers and said do not give my daughter anything else unless it comes out of her lunchbox and they are still going against me and putting a milk in front of her every day.

“Friday she came home and said ‘Mom, they give me vegetable soup and a milk,’” said the mother.

“So I went to the cafeteria to make sure she had no fee and it’s not being charged to her account yet,” she continued, ” but what concerned me was that I got a letter from the principal and it says students who do not bring a healthy lunch will be offered the missing portions which may result in a fee from the cafeteria. So if I don’t stay on top of her account on a weekly basis there’s that opportunity that charges could be put on her account and then if I let it go too far then it’s like I’m going to have a big battle.”

The principal of West Hoke Elementary, Jackie Samuels, says none of the children’s parents were asked to pay for the school food. While the parents may not have to pay, it was still an expense for the school to provide the extra food. A phone call to the Hoke County Schools Superintendent to inquire as to how much additional expense this would impose on the school was not returned.

The mother, who lives in Fayetteville, sent a statement to state Rep. G.L. Pridgen (R-Robeson) detailing her complaint. Pridgen says he was shocked to hear it. Pridgen has since learned this is a nationwide practice based on federal guidelines.

An assistant to Pridgen says the girl’s grandmother was also upset and asked, “This isn’t China, is it?”

The government inspector was from the Early Childhood Environment Rating Scale-Revised program at the FPG Child Development Institute at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. The program gives schools a grade based on standards that include USDA meal guidelines enforced by the N.C. Division of Early Childhood Development.

The nutrition standards for pre-K lunch require milk, two servings of fruit or vegetable, bread or grains and a meat or meat alternative. The school didn’t receive a high grade from the January assessment because the home-made lunches didn’t meet those guidelines. The mother points out the only thing on that list her daughter’s home lunch didn’t have was milk, so she doesn’t understand why the girl was given a complete school meal as a supplement.

The mother says her next step is to sit down with the principal and if nothing is done then she plans to go to the school board.

Otto Maddox
Otto Maddox SuperDork
2/16/12 7:57 a.m.

Apparently this is much ado about nothing.

"What is supposed to happen is the teacher is supposed to go over and get the missing item, which I'm assuming was milk in this case, and offer it to the child," Barnes said. "The child can take it or not take it."But the girl wound up getting put in the lunch line to get a full lunch, Barnes said."I don't know whether the child was confused. I don't know whether the teacher gave poor direction. I don't know, but again, that child thought she had to go through the line," he said. "If there's a mistake, that's our mistake."

ThePhranc
ThePhranc HalfDork
2/16/12 7:59 a.m.

You will comply!

The school, local, state and federal government should have absolutely no say in what a parent packs for their kids lunch. Schools shouldn't be offering lunches anyway.

aussiesmg
aussiesmg SuperDork
2/16/12 7:59 a.m.
ThePhranc wrote: You will comply! The school, local, state and federal government should have absolutely no say in what a parent packs for their kids lunch. Schools shouldn't be forcing lunches onto 4 years olds anyway.

FTFY

Because parents can't be trusted to raise children whereas everything the Federal Government has stuck its nose into has worked out swimmingly.

foxtrapper
foxtrapper SuperDork
2/16/12 8:04 a.m.
Otto Maddox wrote: Apparently this is much ado about nothing.

Which is being ignored by everyone who posted after you, and will continue to be ignored.

Fanning the flames of a non-fire is so much more entertaining to so many folk.

Otto Maddox
Otto Maddox SuperDork
2/16/12 8:05 a.m.

The headline should be "Small Child Gets Confused, Buys Chicken Nuggets". But that is less exciting.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker SuperDork
2/16/12 8:11 a.m.
Otto Maddox wrote: The headline should be "Small Child Gets Confused, Buys Chicken Nuggets". But that is less exciting.

My favorite OOC excerpt:

In an interview with the Civitas Institute the mother said “I can’t put vegetables in her lunchbox. I’m not a millionaire (...)"

Jay
Jay SuperDork
2/16/12 8:12 a.m.

Holy crap, I'm an 85kg man and I don't eat nearly as much lunch as they're proscribing for kindergarteners!

aussiesmg
aussiesmg SuperDork
2/16/12 8:17 a.m.

So you guys are saying the schools are not being forced to inspect a brown bag lunch sent to school by the child's Mom, because if so you are wrong.

spitfirebill
spitfirebill SuperDork
2/16/12 8:26 a.m.

Don't you remember, it takes a village!

BBsGarage
BBsGarage HalfDork
2/16/12 8:32 a.m.

How is this "much ado about nothing" or "Small Child Gets Confused, Buys Chicken Nuggets"?

Let me inspect your lunch and then force you to eat helpings of what I decide is best for you. The child was not "confused" she is 4 years old. I am continuously amazed at what schools can get away with.

92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac SuperDork
2/16/12 8:33 a.m.
BBsGarage wrote: How is this "much ado about nothing" or "Small Child Gets Confused, Buys Chicken Nuggets"? Let me inspect your lunch and then force you to eat helpings of what I decide is best for you. The child was not "confused" she is 4 years old. I am continuously amazed at what schools can get away with.

.... it was clearly stated that the children are NOT forced to eat anything other than what their parents packed for them.

The only issue here is that the taxpayers are paying for someone to inspect a goddamn lunch in the first place.

dean1484
dean1484 SuperDork
2/16/12 8:35 a.m.

My daughter told me that her teacher inspects lunches in the front of the classroom. My daughter has since started sitting in the back as she does not want people going through her lunch. Welcome to the peoples republic of Massachusetts.

BBsGarage
BBsGarage HalfDork
2/16/12 8:37 a.m.

"...pre-K program at the school said the girl also needed a vegetable, so the inspector ordered a full school lunch tray for her. While the four-year-old was still allowed to eat her home lunch, the girl was forced to take a helping of chicken nuggets, milk, a fruit and a vegetable to supplement her sack lunch. "

92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac SuperDork
2/16/12 8:38 a.m.
BBsGarage wrote: "...pre-K program at the school said the girl also needed a vegetable, so the inspector ordered a full school lunch tray for her. While the four-year-old was still allowed to eat her home lunch, the girl was forced to take a helping of chicken nuggets, milk, a fruit and a vegetable to supplement her sack lunch. "

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/10731857/

The pertinent information was already quoted previously in this thread.

Brett_Murphy
Brett_Murphy Dork
2/16/12 8:39 a.m.

Wait, milk is required? What about the lactose intolerant kids?

PHeller
PHeller Dork
2/16/12 8:41 a.m.

I'm gonna send my kid to school with Twinkies, soda, and all kinds of sugary junk food. I'll instruct him to give it to all his friends.

BBsGarage
BBsGarage HalfDork
2/16/12 8:50 a.m.

"supposed to happen"

there are lots of things that are supposed to happen that dont work out that way.

they shouldnt be inspecting lunches, then telling kids that their parent didnt supply them with the proper food.

failboat
failboat Dork
2/16/12 8:55 a.m.

are they providing a refrigerator for the kids so that they can keep their milk from getting warm before lunch time? (if they packed it, as they should) these arent millionares we are talking about here, we have to assume brown paper bags..

in all seriousness this is pretty berkeleying stupid and a waste of time/effort/money

Osterkraut
Osterkraut SuperDork
2/16/12 8:58 a.m.

Food pyramid is a scam, so of course the federal government is snooping around your lunch box.

Otto Maddox
Otto Maddox SuperDork
2/16/12 8:59 a.m.

Has anybody noticed that this isn't just basic elementary school?

This is a readiness program for disadvantaged, developmentally disabled, etc. These kids need help with the most basic tasks in life, partially because they are four years old, partially because they aren't in the same situation as a typical four year old.

I love a good keep the gubment out of my life discussion, but that isn't really the case here.

93EXCivic
93EXCivic SuperDork
2/16/12 9:01 a.m.
Otto Maddox wrote: Has anybody noticed that this isn't just basic elementary school? This is a readiness program for disadvantaged, developmentally disabled, etc. These kids need help with the most basic tasks in life, partially because they are four years old, partially because they aren't in the same situation as a typical four year old.

Where did you see that?

Otto Maddox
Otto Maddox SuperDork
2/16/12 9:05 a.m.

Link provided in article

I figured that was the case. At my child's elementary school, they have similar classes for four year olds, and they are all developmentally delayed. And they usually aren't borderline cases. It is obvious. These types of kids need everything monitored very closely.

M2Pilot
M2Pilot Reader
2/16/12 9:07 a.m.

And chicken nuggets are a healthy food?

failboat
failboat Dork
2/16/12 9:09 a.m.

In reply to Otto Maddox:

But does that even matter? Is the school assuming the parents don't know what the kids are taking for lunch?

The lunch in question sounded reasonable, its not like PHeller packed the lunch.

Its one thing if the kid needs to buy a lunch, and they provide them something healthy. Its another when they are inspecting lunches and can dictate that "this isnt good enough", and say you have to eat what we give you. And might possibly charge you for, because someone's got to pay for it. They say its optional, but any 4 year old is probably going to feel intimidated by such a process, to the point where it feels forced. Is a developmentally delayed 4 year old going to know when its ok to say "no thanks"?

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