North Korea vs. U.S.A. - The Showdown

pinchvalve wrote: Keep working on the missiles until they can reach Detroit.

Property values could go up!

Can't say North Korea worries me with regards to their military. Nor does China for that matter. NK will make lots of insane posturing, but the only thing it really threatens is South Korea.

I'd be a little worried about a 1,000,000 standing army, our entire armed forces isn't much bigger than that, and that includes National Guard, and Reserves. Under estimating the enemy is never a good idea, I always give them more credit than they are due. Sorry I feel personally vested in this issue, considering that it directly effects my brothers in arms. The most dangerous foe is the one that you allow to lull you into complancey.

Edirt: Amazingly the youth of South Korea, hate us. Their parents, and grand parents feel differently though.

wherethefmi wrote: Edirt: Amazingly the youth of South Korea, hate us. Their parents, and grand parents feel differently though.

This begs the obvious question - WHY?

I'm not sure, but I think it has to do with they think we've subsidized their nation, and divided them from the rest of their countrymen. All I know is from what I've been told by my friends who are/have been deployed there. Lots of protests, at the bases and very unwelcome in their cities.

pinchvalve wrote: I understand that Hawaii is part of the US and the closest target for those in the Pacific Rim, but come one, nuke Hawaii? What has Hawaii ever done to anyone? The place is beautiful and the people are super nice!

Well, there was that one time on December 7.

wherethefmi wrote: I'd be a little worried about a 1,000,000 standing army, our entire armed forces isn't much bigger than that, and that includes National Guard, and Reserves. Under estimating the enemy is never a good idea, I always give them more credit than they are due. Sorry I feel personally vested in this issue, considering that it directly effects my brothers in arms. The most dangerous foe is the one that you allow to lull you into complancey.

THIS. Their equipment might be ancient by American standards, but they have a ton of it. North Korea also has a big stockpile of chemical weapons- sarin, mustard gas, VX, nasty stuff.

What's worse, though, is the thorough brainwashing everyone goes through in that country, esp. in the military. I watched a PBS documentary on NK, and from cradle to grave citizens are taught to believe Kim Jong-Il is a demigod. He makes the sun come up in the morning, his birth was blessed, his golf score is damn near perfect, etc. The peasant conscripts might turn tail, but the regulars are motivated to think the US is the Great Satan (surprise, surprise) and they must 'liberate' their brothers in the South from our clutches for Dear Leader. Scary stuff. It would also make reconstruction efforts difficult, should it come to that.

RexSeven wrote:

wherethefmi wrote: I'd be a little worried about a 1,000,000 standing army, our entire armed forces isn't much bigger than that, and that includes National Guard, and Reserves. Under estimating the enemy is never a good idea, I always give them more credit than they are due. Sorry I feel personally vested in this issue, considering that it directly effects my brothers in arms. The most dangerous foe is the one that you allow to lull you into complancey.

THIS. Their equipment might be ancient by American standards, but they have a ton of it. North Korea also has a big stockpile of chemical weapons- sarin, mustard gas, VX, nasty stuff. What's worse, though, is the thorough brainwashing everyone goes through in that country, esp. in the military. I watched a PBS documentary on NK, and from cradle to grave citizens are taught to believe Kim Jong-Il is a demigod. He makes the sun come up in the morning, his birth was blessed, his golf score is damn near perfect, etc. The peasant conscripts might turn tail, but the regulars are motivated to think the US is the Great Satan (surprise, surprise) and they must 'liberate' their brothers in the South from our clutches for Dear Leader. Scary stuff. It would also make reconstruction efforts difficult, should it come to that.

Ancient or not, artillery has the same effect it always had., and they DO have a ton of it.

oldsaw wrote:

wherethefmi wrote: Edirt: Amazingly the youth of South Korea, hate us. Their parents, and grand parents feel differently though.

This begs the obvious question - WHY?

Because the schools, especially the colleges are teaching the youth that the Americans are preventing the unification of north and south. The youngster believe that the 2 Koreas can become one again, even if that means 2 states. one democratic and one communist. (yeah like that will work. The poor north and the rich south co-exsisting as one.) The older Koreans remember and/or know what the Americans have done and the doings of the gov't in the north. Had this partly explained to me from Koreans (not my Korean wife) and personal observation during my time in Korea.

wherethefmi wrote: Right now is a pretty bad time for the N. Koreans to start acting up. We are pretty stretched out as it is, 2-3 years from now then game on.

Maybe this is why they are doing it. What could we retailate with if NK started stuff now? Air strikes can only go so far.

Well I hope all you guys filled out your selective service cards

wherethefmi wrote: Well I hope all you guys filled out your selective service cards

Oh I'm sure most of the guys around here would qualify as 4F for mental standards.

I'm getting tired of all the B.S. from these countries that are stirring up crap with nuclear weapons development.

"Might makes right" has worked for every major empire in history. They only started to decline when they wussed out and let others push them around.

Let's just get all the first world countries together, take over and be done with it.

Canada and the USA can split up central and South America between them.

Europe gets to split up the former soviet countries.

Japan gets Asia

Australia and New Zealand can fight over Africa etc (Australians like dry, hot countries don't they?)

There, problem solved. You can't govern yourselves, play niceley or stop fighting pointless, thousand-year-old wars with each other? You belong to us now.

Lets face it. Some cultures explore outer space, some E36 M3 in their own drinking water.

Shawn

rebelgtp wrote:

wherethefmi wrote: Well I hope all you guys filled out your selective service cards

Oh I'm sure most of the guys around here would qualify as 4F for mental standards.

Just checked on my selective service registration a couple weeks ago for financial aid. My draft status is 1R and has been since I was 17 and trying for the Navy.

Its all good, you can all put your selective service cards away. Well get Team America on the job!

RexSeven wrote: What's worse, though, is the thorough brainwashing everyone goes through in that country, esp. in the military. I watched a PBS documentary on NK, and from cradle to grave citizens are taught to believe Kim Jong-Il is a demigod. He makes the sun come up in the morning, his birth was blessed, his golf score is damn near perfect, etc. The peasant conscripts might turn tail, but the regulars are motivated to think the US is the Great Satan (surprise, surprise) and they must 'liberate' their brothers in the South from our clutches for Dear Leader. Scary stuff. It would also make reconstruction efforts difficult, should it come to that.

His replacement isn't to bad either:

The Onion said: Kim Jong Il's Successor North Korean president Kim Jong Il recently named his 25-year-old son Kim Jong Un as the nation's next leader. What qualifications does Kim's youngest son bring with him? Has 8 million pre-painted portraits of himself ready to distribute to the populace at a moment's notice Displayed a complete disregard for U.N. resolutions from a very early age Pretty good friends with Putin's kids Has two nonfunctional but symbolic iron fists grafted onto his arms Projects a powerful authoritarian air over his countrymen by appearing adequately nourished Shares two out of three names with arguably the greatest leader in Far East Asian history Has shown a lifelong, devoted lack of interest in behaving normally in any way Is able to slap people across the face effectively with either hand On the day of Jong Un's birth, all farmers reaped twice as much from the earth, the rivers overflowed with carp, and the lapping ocean waves murmured the new leader's name

Starting something against the US is beyond comprehension, while they could give us a bloody nose, our experience, capabilities, soldiers and government....oh wait.....we might have a problem

We need to tell the Chinese to solve that problem or one of our Ohio-class subs will. Seriously. They're the ones who tore up the armistice. What are we waiting for?

aussiesmg wrote: Starting something against the US is beyond comprehension, while they could give us a bloody nose, our experience, capabilities, soldiers and government....oh wait.....we might have a problem

I think it's a great idea. Anyone that loses a war to us gets built up bigger and better than before. We will owe him billions before long too.

Look at me! Pay attention to me! Please? Someone? ...... Anyone....?

-Kim Jong il

Trans_Maro wrote: I'm getting tired of all the B.S. from these countries that are stirring up crap with nulcear weapons development. "Might makes right" has worked for every major empire in history. They only started to decline when they wussed out and let others push them around. Let's just get all the first world countries together, take over and be done with it. Canada and the USA can split up central and South America between them. Europe gets to split up the former soviet countries. Japan gets Asia Australia and New Zealand can fight over Africa etc (Australians like dry, hot countries don't they?) There, problem solved. You can't govern yourselves, play niceley or stop fighting pointless, thousand-year-old wars with each other? You belong to us now. Lets face it. Some cultures explore outer space, some E36 M3 in their own drinking water. Shawn

Fine sir, I agree with your radical, extremist views and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

You guys should relax. North Korea is a tiny country that poses no threat...oh wait, did I say "no threat?" I meant "grave threat."

wherethefmi wrote: Well the thousands of troops in S. Korea might not agree cause they are in the way of the N. Koreans. When you get to Korea you're briefed on how you are a speed bump. Not a fun situation for some of my buddies. Right now is a pretty bad time for the N. Koreans to start acting up. We are pretty stretched out as it is, 2-3 years from now then game on.

those in processing briefings are a little odd, but I did my year and glad I did

i still have my "draft" card and it says I'm 1H thanks my buddy tricky Dick. I was # 38 on the list all set to go in the first wave of 1-50 when we went on hold.

I have my draft card. They don't call it a draft card anymore. I was the first year to be blessed with signing up for selective service again. THANKS, JIMMY. HOW'D THEM HOSTAGES WORK OUT FOR YOU? I bet Tim remembers going down to the Post Office back in '80 too, huh? You missed out Margie. So much for equality. Anyway, they eventually told me they didn't want me anymore and I could stop sending them updates every time I moved.

This whole NK thing is so "The Mouse that Roared." Except when Hawaii goes up in a heat wave. Then we'll be really pissed. That'd be the end of all that birth certificate stuff too, huh? Uh, sorry, that island isn't there anymore. You'll just have to take his word for it now.