Speaking of terrorists....

racerfink wrote: Yeah, remember all those Central Americans that tried to bomb the Empire State Building? BTW, as soon as you said "Faux" news, you lost all credibility.

Nah, Ig makes some salient points every now and then.

He loses some credibility by critiquing those who simply have different viewpoints and summarily dismisses them - sometimes while displaying his shiny, happy person attitude.

Ignorant, you are correct. Iraq is a country that exists because of misguided attempts at Empire building. And you are right, many problems that are here today can be traced to US or UK meddling in things that didn't involve us. However, I don't think the sin of our fathers give them the right to kill us. I know that isn't what your saying, I'm just saying.

racerfink wrote: BTW, as soon as you said "Faux" news, you lost all credibility.

chill out.. I'm just going rogue...

Drewsifer wrote: However, I don't think the sin of our fathers give them the right to kill us.

I agree.

Jensenman wrote: About South America: you might want to look into the Puerto Rican separatists who attacked the US Capitol building. Yeah, I know they are sorta our state, but humor me.

Interesting that AG Holder was a proponent to grant clemency to the FALN - a Puerto Rican terrorist group dedicated to Marxist-Leninist principles and for total independence for P.R.. His advocation for dismissing charges against FALN was done while he was deputy AG in the Clinton administration.

Mr. Holder's checkered past also includes a major role in the pardoning of Marc Rich. He (Mr. Rich) is a convicted racketeer and tax evader, whose wife was a major contributor to the Clinton Library, the Democrat party and Clinton's legal defense fund.

It's so re-assuring that the climate of corruption in Washington, DC has been obliterated by "O" and his subordinates.

Jensenman wrote: Where do the Arabs get off pissing and moaning today about events from antiquity? I'd say it's time for them to grow up and join the rest of humanity in trying to create rather than destroy. Until then I don't really have a lot of sympathy for their situation.

Amen.

Based on an ill-timed roll in the hay by Abraham, with his sevant girl Hagar (at his wife Sarah's urging), Ishmael was born before Sarah bore Issac. When Sarah bade Abraham to cast out Hager and her son, the Feud of All Feuds was born: the Jews the sons of Issac, the Arabs the sons of Ishmael.

This was about a gazillion years ago, and it's easy to see how far they've come to patching up differences.

ignorant wrote:

racerfink wrote: BTW, as soon as you said "Faux" news, you lost all credibility.

chill out.. I'm just going rogue...

If you were half that cute we could excuse your rantings.

I would like everyone who keeps saying the trial needs to be in NY so we can have some "closure" to stop. Having this circus here is not going to suddenly make everyone forget what happened and help those who still have problems dealing with it. What would help would be if we kept this nonsense somewhere else so we wouldn't have vans full of heavily armed and armored men pop up as a show of force and if we didn't need the radiation detector truck doing laps of the neighborhood looking for a glowing suitcase

Wally wrote: If you were half that cute we could excuse your rantings.

Nope.. The only excuse is the fact that I'm a liberal elite who believes the MSM 100%. I'm also not a regular American. I've been told so by conservatives. I don't have a john deere and I don't worship Reagan. Those are my excuses and I'm sticking to them.

Wat?!?!? No John Deere? Delta is ready when you are.

At least you know it, and knowing is half the battle.

ignorant wrote:

racerfink wrote: BTW, as soon as you said "Faux" news, you lost all credibility.

chill out.. I'm just going rogue...

I'm just gonna pull a Palin and quit.

Guys! You can't just quit! I'm sure there are some high government officials (on both sides of the isle) waiting to hear how this thread pans out!

Joey

joey48442 wrote: Guys! You can't just quit! I'm sure there are some high government officials (on both sides of the isle) waiting to hear how this thread pans out! Joey

There's little evidence any of them care anything about what anyone thinks.

They're all auditioning for the reality series "Ideologies Gone FAIL", a straight-to-DVD release debuting in November, 2010.

Yeah, I'd say they are too busy shoving change that's based on moonbeams and wishful thinking down our throats to pay attention to the real world.

Jensenman wrote: Yeah, I'd say they are too busy shoving change that's based on moonbeams and wishful thinking down our throats to pay attention to the real world.

This would be true if they'd actually do something, instead of being stuck in analysis paralysis.

Receiving a 2,000 page bill a few hours in advance of the vote doesn’t equate to analysis paralysis. Even if the 72 hour rule is honored, three eighteen hour back-to-back days of no stop reading will only allow 97 seconds per page. Have fun finding the multi billion dollar needles in that hay stack. No, this isn’t analysis paralysis, this is data dumping plain and simple.

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RX Reven' wrote: Receiving a 2,000 page bill a few hours in advance of the vote doesn’t equate to analysis paralysis. Even if the 72 hour rule is honored, three eighteen hour back-to-back days of no stop reading will only allow 97 seconds per page. Have fun finding the multi billion dollar needles in that hay stack. No, this isn’t analysis paralysis, this is data dumping plain and simple.

ummm... I blame the fact that they released the bill late on the fact that they were stuck in analysis paralysis...

If you want to read into more devious BS ideas... I'll make a tin foil hat for you and send it your way If you'd like to mail me a SASE.

Hey, this latest turn of events has nothing to do with terrorists on trial. Let's resurrect the health-care thread and have at it.

Iggy, throwing the "tin-foil hat" reference ignores all the history that proves hastily thrown together legislation always results in billions more in expenditures.

You can do better...........

oldsaw wrote: Iggy, throwing the "tin-foil hat" reference ignores all the history that proves hastily thrown together legislation always results in billions more in expenditures.

I wasn't trying to pass judgment on the type of bill etc.. I merely want to say that the current administration is very afraid of making the wrong move and therefore dosen't make any moves until the very last minute. It's poor leadership at best.

Hi Ignorant,

I suspect that even among devout President Obama supporters, the overwhelming majority realize that providing a phenomenally short amount of time to read bills before voting is a fully intentional maneuver meant to deny debate. You’re welcome to applaud the President’s tactics if you feel debate would be unproductive but to say it isn’t intentional is pretty darn ridiculous.

I mean, come on man, really, you don’t get it?

ignorant wrote: I merely want to say that the current administration is very afraid of making the wrong move and therefore dosen't make any moves until the very last minute. It's poor leadership at best.

No doubt there are a lot of voters who are questioning the mindset of the administration.

Now is a seminal moment for the President. He and his minions have been in a partisan campaign mode since his inauguration instead of taking the role as leader of a diverse electorate.

Is he, or is he not, the candidate who campaigned on a centrist platform, seeking a bi-partisan union? Is he a President who leads the country or follows elements of his party?

At this point he comes across as Carter-lite, with better looks, better speech writers and the support of the "fourth estate" that has diminished itself by half.

According to an op ed in my local scandal rag, KSM (Khalid Sheik Mohammed) is said to have applauded the change of venue to NYC because it will make him more visible. Yet after the current administration was made aware of this, they hand him a bully pulpit.

They are going to manufacture a martyr. Same as Gary Gilmore and his Utah firing squad; that guy exhausted his appeals and then chose the most sensational method of execution possible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Gilmore