Trans_Maro wrote: When I ended up in a fight in middle school, it was just two guys and its over. Now, if you end up in a fight with the bully, it's him and when you do start to kick his ass, all his chickenE36 M3 friends jump in and help.
This might make you feel slightly better about your bitterness...
WARNING LANGUAGE NSFW SO TURN YOUR SOUND DOWN UNLESS YOU WANT YOUR COWORKERS TO HEAR UNEDITED DMX. Mike Vallely 4 vs. 1
In reply to J308:
Looks like four guys standing around running their mouths and one guy starts flailing at everyone.
One thing that stands out to me is that in almost all of these fight videos, very few actually know how to fight/ box. A skilled 120# kid can total out a 175# that can only throw big roundhouse punches. My 21yo grandson lives with us and is a well trained boxer. 6', 160#. Me, 6', 225 but OLD. We have fun play-boxing sometimes. Makes the Mommies crazy. I would not like to see what would happen to the typical schoolyard bully with him. It's interesting, he will walk away from almost any confrontation. Almost.
At 21, he is beyond the age of bullying.
Maybe that is the problem? Once you hit 18, the behavior that gets classified as bullying when you are a kind magically becomes criminal.
In reply to Otto Maddox:
Yep.
I've been jumped EXACTLY like this. Being called a name, surrounded, and jumped.
Mike V. got called a name, "skater fag" in case you missed it in the video, got surrounded, then bowed up and went to town.
Like many mentioned in this thread, my birthday had me the youngest and smallest in my class. It was after HS that I hit my growth spurt. I have a real disdain for bullies and once we were equal size, E36 M3 was a lot different.
It took two people bodyslammed, one choke-out, and one punch in the face while holding a spray can, resulting in a contusion and amusing spray pattern on the bully's face and neck, for me to stop being picked on.
To misquote what I once heard as a Johnny Cash quote and don't quite remember: "Sometimes you just need to punch someone in their face."
Good riddance to one more bully.
Drewsifer wrote: Point 1: My biggest problem with "let them work it out" is it only works when the kids are roughly the same size.
Well, now we know... you give the little one a knife.
I agree with point #2.
What a berkeleyed up set of circumstances...
Good for her. These guys heard that her husband died of cancer and they wanted to steal his leftover pain meds? Sometimes E36 M3ty people just need to be sent to Valhalla or Purgatory or wherever.
oldtin wrote: Okie standing her ground What a berkeleyed up set of circumstances...
Can't say that bothers me one bit. Well, maybe one bit...wish she got the other guy, too.
Waiaiaiaiaitaminute... she's 18? and her husband was.... old enough to be her grandfather?
Yep, he was 58 when he died of cancer. Maybe it was true love. 
I am impressed she had the ovarian fortitude to actually shoot the guy.
"Ovarian Fortitude" That is a beautiful play on words, and will be repeated. Thank you!!
J308 wrote:Trans_Maro wrote: When I ended up in a fight in middle school, it was just two guys and its over. Now, if you end up in a fight with the bully, it's him and when you do start to kick his ass, all his chickenE36 M3 friends jump in and help.This might make you feel slightly better about your bitterness... WARNING LANGUAGE NSFW SO TURN YOUR SOUND DOWN UNLESS YOU WANT YOUR COWORKERS TO HEAR UNEDITED DMX. Mike Vallely 4 vs. 1
That was kewl, especially considering the fact that Mike seems like a really relaxed, genuinely nice dude who'd never go looking for a fight.
cwh wrote: One thing that stands out to me is that in almost all of these fight videos, very few actually know how to fight/ box. A skilled 120# kid can total out a 175# that can only throw big roundhouse punches. My 21yo grandson lives with us and is a well trained boxer. 6', 160#. Me, 6', 225 but OLD. We have fun play-boxing sometimes. Makes the Mommies crazy. I would not like to see what would happen to the typical schoolyard bully with him. It's interesting, he will walk away from almost any confrontation. Almost.
I'm sorry but I feel this is the biggest lie people learn in Boxing, Self Defense classes, martial arts, etc. I've done TKD and Kickboxing all my life and used to teach self defense. Being big and tough goes a long way in a fight. And most bullies do know at least a little about how to fight (they're not golden glove material but they can take a hit or two).
I got in one fight when I was in high school. A guy decided he wanted to bully me and for awhile it was just the name calling etc. I ignored it and eventually that made him mad enough to take a swing at me in study hall. He missed, and I hit him in the face with a textbook. The only things that kept me from being expelled and arrested the teacher swore up and down he actually hit me, and the kid was a known trouble maker.
Drewsifer wrote: I'm sorry but I feel this is the biggest lie people learn in Boxing, Self Defense classes, martial arts, etc. I've done TKD and Kickboxing all my life and used to teach self defense. Being big and tough goes a long way in a fight. And most bullies do know at least a little about how to fight (they're not golden glove material but they can take a hit or two).
I think it is an experience thing... if you go to boxing class, Kung fu, whatever but you never really fight outside that discipline - all you did was learn a new kind of dance. Boxers are surprised when you head-butt them in the face, kick them in the chest or choke them out from behind because... that isn't covered by the rules of boxing. Same for martial arts. They train you to respond to a martial artist - not a 300lb drunk with a chair. To be good at fighting you have to fight. The only exception... never underestimate a wrestler. Shoot them. If they get close you are getting your E36 M3 twisted.
In reply to Drewsifer:
I politely disagree, see below.
In reply to Giant Purple Snorklewacker:
I agree with the part about experience. I also had a buddy in high school that was a boxer. Our city was large enough that his reputation never preceded him, and there were a lot of bullies roaming the streets. He reluctantly kicked a metric E36 M3 ton of ass with just his boxing skill.
I talked to him about it after I saw him destroy his way out of a 3-on-1 jump (he walked out to the car at 3am at a Waffle House and 3 dudes wanted his leather jacket), and he explained that keeping a cool head while being punched, being able to land square punches while being hit, and knowing that it could be life or death type consequences gave him an advantage.
I've seen him take sucker punch in the stomach without being phased then beat a big guy over backwards on a counter, I saw him kick a big guy's ass down every step of an escalator that was going up, and I saw him turn several 2vs2 into 1vs2 (to my delight!) and 3vs3 into 1vs3. He never sent anyone to the hospital, and he never left anyone broken and bloody on the sidewalk and he never got out-of-breath during a fight. I'm sure a whole lot of dudes rethink their philosophies on talking crap on the street.
You are right about fighting types. Back when my buddy John was defending his right to walk down the street in peace, only drug-dealers had guns, and he had a distinct advantage fighting even large farmboys who had never seen or heard of MMA. Now, a big enough guy gets his hands on you and he is going to take you down and try to break bones before you can get enough leverage to hit them, and if you get incapacitated, there is a 50/50 chance that they are going to try to stomp your head into the asphalt or perform some other life-altering assault. This is probably why so many fights go from crap-talk to gunfire these days.
It's a sad world we live in.
It's a sad world we live in.
Where is this world? You should move to mine. It is all lolly-pops and cotton candy here. Well, maybe not. But the odds of encountering a street fight are very close to zero.
It is a shame that a kid had to die. Bullying has been around a very long time, but it has changed drastically. When I was a kid in the 70's and 80's, it was largely name calling. Sometimes there was pushing/shoving or the occassional fight. But at worst, it was a fist fight where someone got a bloody nose. Today, some kids who get bullied commit suicide. Others get groups of friends involved and it becomes a widespread brawl. Or worst of all, some grab weapons and bring them to school. Columbine High in 1999 as a prime and horrific example.
I don't think you can point to just one answer. I think broken families play a huge role. Not just broken as in one parent or grandparent, but broken as in no family values taught, TV as babysitter, or abuse, etc... Kids access to weapons and their lack of respect for what those weapons can do. Kids lack of respect for each other and authority. Violent video games. You can go on and on with reasons why it's as bad as it is today.
To some degree, kids will always be kids. They're not often kind to each other. They don't have the wisdom, knowledge and experience of most adults. But I think if our society as a whole was able to "get back to basics" about teaching kids respect, moral values, etc...it would go a long way to resolving the bullying crisis that has come up over the past 15 years.
Otto Maddox wrote: It's a sad world we live in. Where is this world? You should move to mine. It is all lolly-pops and cotton candy here. Well, maybe not. But the odds of encountering a street fight are very close to zero.
Its mostly that way here too. Reminds me of an incident that happened at a mall once. Was walking with the then GF, arms full of purchases. Bunch of punk kids walking right towards us. The little scrawny one of the group says "Watch this" and attempts to split the middle. I probably have close to 100lbs on this kid. I also learned to drop a shoulder into someone if you really want to put some force behind a tackle/hit/whatever. So as the kid came up to me, I dropped my shoulder square in the middle of his chest. He landed ass on the ground. His buddies laughed. He gets up and says "Don't bump into me, faggot" CLEARLY this kid is looking to intimidate someone. So I dropped my bags, and made it very clear that if he took a swing, he was going home in an ambulance. I didn't act afraid, I wasn't throwing out insults.... in fact I didn't speak a word. But I was QUITE clear with my intention that I was gonna berkeley this kid up if he kept messing with me. I think it just goes to show, sometimes image presents itself. Bullies look to pick on the kids that appear weak.... or beatable or whatever. And with parents these days, there are a lot of doughy little weaklings out there that quite frankly, are probably easily bullied/harassed, due to progressive parenting and too much safety. No one knows pain anymore... no one knows how to take a hit, fight back, anything. Hence, weapons.
Klayfish wrote: It is a shame that a kid had to die. Bullying has been around a very long time, but it has changed drastically. When I was a kid in the 70's and 80's, it was largely name calling. Sometimes there was pushing/shoving or the occassional fight. But at worst, it was a fist fight where someone got a bloody nose. Today, some kids who get bullied commit suicide. Others get groups of friends involved and it becomes a widespread brawl. Or worst of all, some grab weapons and bring them to school. Columbine High in 1999 as a prime and horrific example. I don't think you can point to just one answer. I think broken families play a huge role. Not just broken as in one parent or grandparent, but broken as in no family values taught, TV as babysitter, or abuse, etc... Kids access to weapons and their lack of respect for what those weapons can do. Kids lack of respect for each other and authority. Violent video games. You can go on and on with reasons why it's as bad as it is today. To some degree, kids will always be kids. They're not often kind to each other. They don't have the wisdom, knowledge and experience of most adults. But I think if our society as a whole was able to "get back to basics" about teaching kids respect, moral values, etc...it would go a long way to resolving the bullying crisis that has come up over the past 15 years.
I believe this is absolutely true.
bravenrace wrote:Klayfish wrote: It is a shame that a kid had to die. Bullying has been around a very long time, but it has changed drastically. When I was a kid in the 70's and 80's, it was largely name calling. Sometimes there was pushing/shoving or the occassional fight. But at worst, it was a fist fight where someone got a bloody nose. Today, some kids who get bullied commit suicide. Others get groups of friends involved and it becomes a widespread brawl. Or worst of all, some grab weapons and bring them to school. Columbine High in 1999 as a prime and horrific example. I don't think you can point to just one answer. I think broken families play a huge role. Not just broken as in one parent or grandparent, but broken as in no family values taught, TV as babysitter, or abuse, etc... Kids access to weapons and their lack of respect for what those weapons can do. Kids lack of respect for each other and authority. Violent video games. You can go on and on with reasons why it's as bad as it is today. To some degree, kids will always be kids. They're not often kind to each other. They don't have the wisdom, knowledge and experience of most adults. But I think if our society as a whole was able to "get back to basics" about teaching kids respect, moral values, etc...it would go a long way to resolving the bullying crisis that has come up over the past 15 years.I believe this is absolutely true.
Agreed
No one knows pain anymore... no one knows how to take a hit, fight back, anything.
As I say seemingly weekly, "The biggest reason for people acting so disrespectfully and inconsiderately in our current society is that people are no longer scared of having their motherberkeleying asses beat."
bravenrace wrote:Klayfish wrote: It is a shame that a kid had to die. Bullying has been around a very long time, but it has changed drastically. When I was a kid in the 70's and 80's, it was largely name calling. Sometimes there was pushing/shoving or the occassional fight. But at worst, it was a fist fight where someone got a bloody nose. Today, some kids who get bullied commit suicide. Others get groups of friends involved and it becomes a widespread brawl. Or worst of all, some grab weapons and bring them to school. Columbine High in 1999 as a prime and horrific example. I don't think you can point to just one answer. I think broken families play a huge role. Not just broken as in one parent or grandparent, but broken as in no family values taught, TV as babysitter, or abuse, etc... Kids access to weapons and their lack of respect for what those weapons can do. Kids lack of respect for each other and authority. Violent video games. You can go on and on with reasons why it's as bad as it is today. To some degree, kids will always be kids. They're not often kind to each other. They don't have the wisdom, knowledge and experience of most adults. But I think if our society as a whole was able to "get back to basics" about teaching kids respect, moral values, etc...it would go a long way to resolving the bullying crisis that has come up over the past 15 years.I believe this is absolutely true.
I tried to make that point earlier. Parenting has become a lost art. People want to be friends with their kids. No, you are the parent, you are in control. You are to set an example, educate, and correct when necessary. You are also no longer the most important thing in your life, your child is. But that isn't the case today. Parents are too focused on their own life and careers to see what it is doing to their kids. Having kids means sacrificing part of yourself, but too many people won't do it. So the kid is raised by daycare & TV and learns to take our frustration by shooting someone in a video game (I am NOT blaming video games, I am a gamer, but as I stated earlier a 7 year old who is adept at Call of Duty is a bad thing). Add on top of that parents who would rather maintain their child's "friendship" by bribing them to be good rather than actually disciplining them.
I never feared the rules at school, I feared my parents. Getting in trouble in school was NOTHING like the hell I was going to get when I got home. Today? Heck, a kid gets in trouble in school and the parents storm the principle's office demanding an apology! And nevermind that it takes a kid a couple dozen school disciplines to get any real actions taken.
Add to that the way society has stigmatized every single part of child interaction. When I was in kindergarten if I was scared or hurt, the teacher or teaching assistant would give you a hug. Or you might give your teacher a hug goodbye. Today? In many school it is strictly forbidden to touch a child for ANY reason. Kid got hurt and is scared to death? Better keep them at a distance or else the parents might sue. My FIL is a biology teacher who kept a kid from being bitten by a cottonmouth while on a field trip by picking the kid up. Per the superintendent's rules my FIL should have never touched him, but luckily he was given a "pass" this time. Really?
And don't get me going on how we are "Purell"-ing our kids to death...
poopshovel wrote:No one knows pain anymore... no one knows how to take a hit, fight back, anything.As I say seemingly weekly, "The biggest reason for people acting so disrespectfully and inconsiderately in our current society is that people are no longer scared of having their motherberkeleying asses beat."
Yup. And that pain needs to start with the parents. My wife desperately wanted to be a "no spanking" household. That made it a short time. We still give plenty of warnings before a spanking, but there are "do not pass go" events that get a butt swat right from the get go.
slefain wrote: Parenting has become a lost art. People want to be friends with their kids. No, you are the parent, you are in control. You are to set an example, educate, and correct when necessary. Add on top of that parents who would rather maintain their child's "friendship" by bribing them to be good rather than actually disciplining them. I never feared the rules at school, I feared my parents. Getting in trouble in school was NOTHING like the hell I was going to get when I got home.
This +1 million. Of course I want my children to love me and consider me a "friend". But make no mistake about it, both myself and Mrs Klayfish are in charge. Period. We support, encourage and educate. But discipline, respect and rules are part of parenthood too. On more than one occassion, I've had parents look at me like I was a monster because I was disciplining my child. It took all I had to not say "Maybe if you would take responsibility for your kids like I do mine, they wouldn't be such brats". My kids love me very much and I'm very confident I'm good to them, but they definitely have fear of Mom or Dad if they get into trouble.
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